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Am I the only one who thinks Altuve would be nice but when names like Bundy, Harvey, Gausman or even Cisco are "to start with" pieces that we would be out of our collective minds? I'll keep Schoop.

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Am I the only one who thinks Altuve would be nice but when names like Bundy, Harvey, Gausman or even Cisco are "to start with" pieces that we would be out of our collective minds? I'll keep Schoop.

Who has even decided that Altuve would be on the market at all? That is an awful team and he is the ONLY bright spot for fans to bother to buy tickets there for.

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Who has even decided that Altuve would be on the market at all? That is an awful team and he is the ONLY bright spot for fans to bother to buy tickets there for.

They improved by 19 games. Not sure they still qualify as awful.

You wouldn't buy a ticket to see George Springer? Dallas Keuchel? I'd buy a ticket to see Keuchel.

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They improved by 19 games. Not sure they still qualify as awful.

You wouldn't buy a ticket to see George Springer? Dallas Keuchel? I'd buy a ticket to see Keuchel.

Ok. They are still awful though. They can not trade Altuve though. That would be like them trading Bud Norris!

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I'll be satisfied if I get Altuve on my fantasy team again next year because the O's are not getting him. Even if the Astros thought about trading him, teams like the Red Sox and Cubs have a lot more depth with which to deal to get him. I love Altuve but the O's would become worse off getting him after all the players they'd have to give up.

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We don't need Altuve.

We need a true ace

Gausman may actually become that guy

Tillman is not that guy

If Tillman was a #1 we win game 1 of the ALCS and who knows what happens.

Tillman overachieved this year but we need a guy that can win game 1 of the ALCS/WS next year. Tillman shrank under the bright lights of the post season.

I guess Kershaw and Wainwright are not true aces either.

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LOL. Altuve has 21 career homeruns in 4 years, is 5 ft, 6 inches tall and weights 165 lbs. Schoop is 6, 2 210lbs who hit 16 homeruns in his first year. Schoop stands in well and has a canon for an arm. The Orioles should never break the bank for a guy with no power. Why? Because they play at Camden Yards which is a great home run park. You build for your park. Yes we need more obp and speed but I think you want 20/20 guys not 5/50 guys.

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LOL. Altuve has 21 career homeruns in 4 years, is 5 ft, 6 inches tall and weights 165 lbs. Schoop is 6, 2 210lbs who hit 16 homeruns in his first year. Schoop stands in well and has a canon for an arm. The Orioles should never break the bank for a guy with no power. Why? Because they play at Camden Yards which is a great home run park. You build for your park. Yes we need more obp and speed but I think you want 20/20 guys not 5/50 guys.

He's a 24 year old second basemen who won the batting title with a legitimately minuscule K% in the highest K% environment in decades (if not ever), and with great speed. He's better than Schoop right now and there's a good chance he's better than Schoop will ever be. We already have plenty of home runs. You build your team out of the best players you can find and that's all. Not that we'll ever get Altuve, but arguing that he's worth less than Schoop right now is ridiculous.

There were five whole 20/20 guys in the majors in 2014. They're a virtually-dead breed right now. Great targets for fantasy baseball, much less so in real life.

Altuve also hit 47 doubles last year. Speed can generate "slugging".

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He's a 24 year old second basemen who won the batting title with a legitimately minuscule K% in the highest K% environment in decades (if not ever), and with great speed. He's better than Schoop right now and there's a good chance he's better than Schoop will ever be. We already have plenty of home runs. You build your team out of the best players you can find and that's all. Not that we'll ever get Altuve, but arguing that he's worth less than Schoop right now is ridiculous.

There were five whole 20/20 guys in the majors in 2014. They're a virtually-dead breed right now. Great targets for fantasy baseball, much less so in real life.

Altuve also hit 47 doubles last year. Speed can generate "slugging".

Sorry to double post (can't edit) but Altuve had a higher SLG than the following players last year, in order:

Delmon Young

Manny Machado

Chris Davis

Nick Markakis

JJ Hardy

Ryan Flaherty

Caleb Joseph

Jonathan Schoop

Over a hundred more points than Schoop.

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Now 2014 was his age 24 season so maybe what we saw was the new normal and not an outlier but... He put up more rWAR in 2014 (6.0) then he did his first three seasons combined (3.3).

I wouldn't be willing to literally bet the farm that he doesn't settle in as a 2.5-3 WAR player.

I'm always wary of batting average-driven value spikes. Sure, it's possible he's really a .340 hitting going forward. But almost no one is that year-in, year-out. The four years after George Brett hit .390 he never topped .314. Darin Erstad and Norm Cash each has mammoth seasons driven by ~100 point BA spikes, and neither ever hit .300 again. Jose Reyes hit .337 the year he won a batting title, never has come within 37 points of that in any other year. Willie McGee won batting titles at .353 and .335, but his 3rd-best season was .312. Derrek Lee's career was three segments - through 2004 he hit .266, in 2005 he hit .335, from 2006-on he hit .289.

Altuve's BABIP prior to '14 was about .315. In 2014 it was .360.

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