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So here's a list on bb-ref of corner outfielders worth between 5-10 wins during their age 27-30 seasons (min 400 games). Includes Markakis, although he's nearer the low end than the high. I could have centered him in the group, but I liked the round numbers, and Frobby probably appreciates giving Nick the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, here's those 135 guys from age 31-35 (note that some are active and don't show up, some never played again):

                                                                                                                                                                            Rk               Player WAR/pos From   To   Age   G   PA   AB   R   H  2B 3B  HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP SH SF GDP  SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS        Pos                      Tm1         Luis Gonzalez    25.0 1999 2003 31-35 781 3455 2944 528 923 193 20 168 574 435  61 374  41  3 32  70  26 15 .314 .405 .564 .969      *7/HD                     ARI2           Paul ONeill    19.1 1994 1998 31-35 681 2955 2529 423 805 172  8 107 503 377  39 403   7  0 42 100  31 15 .318 .402 .520 .922    *9/7HD3                     NYY3          Lonnie Smith    15.5 1987 1991 31-35 482 1852 1582 259 460  90 15  43 182 218   9 284  30  4 18  14  57 33 .291 .383 .448 .831      *7/HD                 KCR-ATL4           Bing Miller    14.1 1926 1930 31-35 715 2914 2606 405 838 169 44  36 419     177 115  31       100  66 46 .322 .372 .462 .833    *987/H3                 SLB-PHA5           Dusty Baker    12.7 1980 1984 31-35 652 2620 2323 310 678  94 11  79 339 240  13 257   9 10 37  41  50 29 .292 .355 .444 .799     *7/H98                 LAD-SFG6             Al Bumbry    11.8 1978 1982 31-35 592 2562 2282 357 648 101 18  24 175 233  17 292  10 26 11  37 118 46 .284 .351 .376 .727     *8/H7D                     BAL7             Hal McRae    10.8 1977 1981 31-35 644 2821 2535 360 725 187 27  68 357 211  18 240  33  7 34  57  53 32 .286 .344 .462 .806     *D/7H9                     KCR8        Jimmy Sheckard    10.6 1910 1913 31-34 545 2320 1821 322 456  78 31  12 172     420 233  14        65  80 12 .250 .395 .347 .742      *7/98             CHC-STL-CIN9             John Kruk    10.5 1992 1995 31-34 414 1747 1456 234 459  87  9  31 216 271  22 259   1  0 19  36  13  9 .315 .418 .451 .870    *3/D9H7                 PHI-CHW10      Josh Willingham    10.0 2010 2014 31-35 598 2464 2063 298 499 105  4 108 352 318  15 606  57  0 25  43  18  3 .242 .355 .454 .809     *7D/H9         WSN-OAK-MIN-KCR11           Jay Buhner     9.9 1996 2000 31-35 578 2391 1978 331 494  85  3 139 412 369  11 603  24  2 18  52   0  3 .250 .371 .507 .878     *9/HD3                     SEA12             Al Smith     9.6 1959 1963 31-35 681 2708 2419 340 678 116 20  83 341 241  16 340  19 12 16  76  31 15 .280 .348 .448 .796     957/H8                 CHW-BAL13           Manny Mota     9.5 1969 1973 31-35 538 1951 1733 218 546  59 23  11 172 151  25 120  11 46 10  52  26 23 .315 .372 .395 .766    *7H/985                 MON-LAD14          Rusty Staub     8.5 1975 1979 31-35 742 3178 2760 366 767 137 12  92 477 341  38 214  25  6 46 104  10  3 .278 .357 .436 .793     *D9/3H             NYM-DET-MON15           Bob Nieman     6.8 1958 1962 31-35 381 1160 1027 127 318  60  9  44 167 118   9 159   4  4  7  29   4 11 .310 .381 .514 .895      *7H/9         BAL-STL-SFG-CLE16            Vic Wertz     6.8 1956 1960 31-35 530 1982 1729 237 477  79  0  89 375 217  25 268  10  1 25  37   2  5 .276 .355 .476 .831       *3/H                 CLE-BOS17         Nick Swisher     6.5 2012 2014 31-33 390 1659 1446 182 356  83  2  54 198 190   5 390   8  2 13  27   3  3 .246 .334 .418 .753    *39/DH7                 NYY-CLE18          Jeff Conine     6.4 1997 2001 31-35 641 2347 2091 258 585 113  6  65 322 213  11 325  14  1 27  57  21 14 .280 .346 .433 .779   *3/795HD             FLA-KCR-BAL19         Dave Collins     5.9 1984 1988 31-35 520 1675 1498 186 410  69 23   7 119 128   2 166  16 22 11  16 132 36 .274 .335 .364 .700   *7H/9D83         TOR-OAK-DET-CIN20      Michael Cuddyer     5.7 2010 2014 31-35 576 2398 2175 322 633 142 13  80 324 198  16 396  10  0 15  74  39 10 .291 .351 .479 .829 *93/45HD81                 MIN-COL21         Jimmy Slagle     5.6 1905 1908 31-34 522 2244 1907 276 476  37 17   0 128     279 191   4        54     97 .250 .347 .287 .633       *8/7                     CHC22           Gary Redus     5.5 1988 1992 31-35 475 1465 1267 199 325  64 19  30 130 166   6 224   9  3 20  13  95 22 .257 .342 .408 .750    3H/798D                 CHW-PIT23        Patsy Donovan     5.4 1896 1900 31-35 646 2918 2701 467 836  74 29   4 270     149 106  30        38    194 .310 .352 .363 .715       *9/8                 PIT-STL24    Frank Catalanotto     5.3 2005 2009 31-35 526 1791 1579 210 451 114 15  29 189 151   5 179  33 15 13  34   6  7 .286 .358 .432 .789   *7H/D394             TOR-TEX-MIL25        Rondell White     5.0 2003 2007 31-35 492 1906 1756 227 481  89 10  64 265 104   8 277  30  0 16  47   4  7 .274 .323 .445 .768      *7D/H         SDP-KCR-DET-MINRk               Player WAR/pos From   To   Age   G   PA   AB   R   H  2B 3B  HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP SH SF GDP  SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS        Pos                      Tm26             Lee Maye     4.8 1966 1970 31-35 555 1685 1561 179 428  71 14  39 161 110  12 170   4  4  5  25  13 11 .274 .323 .413 .735   79H/8345         HOU-CLE-WSA-CHW27          Roy Johnson     4.8 1934 1938 31-35 455 1816 1609 207 487  95 24  14 233     191 120   4    10   6  32 18 .303 .378 .418 .796     *7/H95             BOS-NYY-BSN28        David DeJesus     4.6 2011 2014 31-34 484 1800 1577 212 396  92 18  33 153 175   3 297  31  8  9  36  16 17 .251 .336 .395 .731     98/HD7         OAK-CHC-WSN-TBR29        Gary Matthews     4.6 2006 2010 31-35 553 2171 1936 287 517 111 14  49 248 204  16 394  12  1 18  37  41 15 .267 .338 .415 .753    *8/9H7D             TEX-LAA-NYM30          Pat Burrell     4.4 2008 2011 31-34 491 1777 1504 186 361  79  5  74 235 249  14 427   6  0 18  25   2  2 .240 .347 .447 .793     *7D/H9             PHI-TBR-SFG31           Gee Walker     4.4 1939 1943 31-35 643 2642 2489 326 677 128 33  40 359     113 229  19    23  62  67 16 .272 .309 .398 .707     *78/9H         CHW-WSH-CLE-CIN32        Greg Luzinski     4.3 1982 1984 31-33 428 1756 1497 207 396  76  2  63 255 215  20 317  20  0 24  40   8  3 .265 .359 .444 .804      *D/H3                     CHW33          Richie Zisk     4.3 1980 1983 31-34 450 1754 1593 181 457  69  3  68 218 146  15 285   4  1 10  41   2  5 .287 .346 .462 .808     *D/H97                 TEX-SEA34          Jack Graney     4.0 1917 1921 31-35 474 1772 1432 243 349  72 20   6 105     274 131  14        48  31  3 .244 .370 .334 .705     *7/H89                     CLE35            Cody Ross     3.9 2012 2014 31-33 307 1098  995 118 266  59  2  32 134  82   4 223   7  2 12  24   5  5 .267 .324 .427 .751    *97/HD8                 BOS-ARI36           Chet Laabs     3.8 1943 1947 31-35 347 1353 1186 171 294  55 12  40 173     142 209   8    16  29  11  9 .248 .332 .416 .748     *7/98H                 SLB-PHA37       Peanuts Lowrey     3.7 1949 1953 31-35 585 1879 1666 236 458  81 11  17 165     172  73   8    33  58   8  3 .275 .346 .367 .713    7H8/549             CIN-CHC-STL38           Wally Post     3.6 1961 1964 31-34 239  695  629  95 167  26  7  39 125  59   3 150   4  1  2  18   1  1 .266 .331 .515 .847      *7/H9             CIN-MIN-CLE39        Willie Horton     3.5 1974 1978 31-35 600 2384 2170 227 595  82  5  80 330 184  32 394   6  2 22  69   6  7 .274 .330 .427 .757      *D/7H     DET-TEX-OAK-CLE-TOR40      Joel Youngblood     3.4 1983 1987 31-35 519 1508 1347 162 360  58  4  39 167 134   6 229  12  8  7  30  17 14 .267 .337 .403 .740  H5/947836                     SFG41         Chuck Hinton     3.3 1965 1969 31-35 613 1862 1665 206 404  58 17  50 183 163  14 314   4 15 15  32  38 18 .243 .309 .388 .697   8H79/345                 CLE-CAL42         Dave Kingman     3.2 1980 1984 31-35 577 2185 1940 244 454  58  5 125 362 201  28 481  12  5 27  39  16  4 .234 .306 .462 .768     3D7/H9             CHC-NYM-OAK43          Leon Wagner     3.2 1965 1969 31-35 547 1922 1722 236 469  65  2  67 225 172  26 235  17  2 10  27  22  8 .272 .343 .429 .772      *7H/9             CLE-CHW-SFG44        Shano Collins     3.1 1917 1921 31-35 524 1987 1833 222 514  87 39   8 218      75 119  15        62  51 17 .280 .314 .384 .698     93/87H                 CHW-BOS45        Jose Cardenal     3.0 1975 1979 31-35 517 1810 1607 221 463  86  5  26 179 174  10 146   7  9 13  33  66 33 .288 .358 .396 .754  *7H/39864             CHC-PHI-NYM46        Moose Solters     3.0 1937 1941 31-35 492 1838 1700 242 482  98 24  40 287     119 204   6    13  21  19 16 .284 .333 .440 .773      *7/H9             CLE-SLB-CHW47          Dan Gladden     2.9 1989 1993 31-35 587 2428 2229 307 598 100 21  39 236 136   6 294  21 20 22  60  75 32 .268 .314 .384 .698    *7/8HD1                 MIN-DET48     Willard Marshall     2.8 1952 1955 31-34 319 1051  932 121 241  43  8  28 132 106   1  63   2  9  2  24   0  1 .259 .335 .412 .747      *9/H7             CIN-BSN-CHW49      Johnny Wyrostek     2.8 1951 1954 31-34 487 1841 1632 179 453  74 15  13 183     183 169   8 15  4  38   4 13 .278 .352 .365 .718    *9/H387                 CIN-PHI50         Reed Johnson     2.7 2008 2012 31-35 506 1329 1215 162 350  78  8  20 135  55   3 269  39 10 10  19  13 12 .288 .337 .415 .751       87H9             LAD-ATL-CHCRk               Player WAR/pos From   To   Age   G   PA   AB   R   H  2B 3B  HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP SH SF GDP  SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS        Pos                      Tm51         Raul Mondesi     2.7 2002 2005 31-34 364 1525 1367 200 336  81  6  57 191 140  12 266   9  0  9  27  37 21 .246 .318 .439 .757    *9/8D7H TOR-NYY-ARI-PIT-ANA-ATL52           Gene Moore     2.5 1941 1945 31-35 442 1545 1397 187 361  60 19  18 190     128 130   5    15  24   6 10 .258 .323 .367 .690    *9/H873             BSN-WSH-SLB53          Ward Miller     2.5 1916 1917 31-32 190  691  567  85 146  18  6   2  52      88  91  11        30  32 21 .257 .368 .321 .689     *9/H78                     SLB54       Jeff Burroughs     2.4 1982 1985 31-34 378 1106  948 109 251  38  6  34 140 144   5 199   0  1 13  33   1  6 .265 .357 .425 .783     *DH/79                 OAK-TOR55        Geoff Jenkins     2.3 2006 2008 31-33 394 1341 1197 134 310  66  3  47 163 112  23 313  21  0 11  24   7  4 .259 .330 .437 .767     *97/HD                 MIL-PHI56       Bruce Campbell     2.3 1941 1942 31-32 263 1000  890 113 246  45 15  20 156     105 101   4     1  11   3  9 .276 .355 .428 .783      *9/H7                 DET-WSH57       Clyde Barnhart     2.3 1927 1928 31-32 169  630  556  83 173  29  6   7  84      48  28   1        25      5 .311 .367 .423 .790     *7/H95                     PIT58          Matt Lawton     2.2 2003 2006 31-34 401 1723 1492 238 391  74  1  48 177 192   3 210  30  0  9  39  51 21 .262 .356 .410 .765    *79/DH8     CLE-CHC-NYY-PIT-SEA59         Ryan Ludwick     2.1 2010 2014 31-35 550 2123 1888 207 473 103  3  67 281 182   8 465  21  4 18  44   1  8 .251 .321 .415 .735    *79/HD8         STL-PIT-SDP-CIN60          Eric Byrnes     2.1 2007 2010 31-34 311 1219 1103 158 279  59 10  35 137  91   5 173  15  3  6  22  64 14 .253 .317 .420 .737    *7/9H8D                 ARI-SEA61          Bob Skinner     2.1 1963 1966 31-34 315  758  690  86 181  29 11  13  77  63   6 143   3  2  0  17   6  3 .262 .327 .393 .719      *H7/9             PIT-CIN-STL62          Jo-Jo Moore     1.9 1940 1941 31-32 260 1073  971 130 267  49  6  13  86      73  45   8    21  13     11 .275 .331 .378 .709     *7/H98                     NYG63         Harvey Kuenn     1.8 1962 1966 31-35 527 1802 1596 206 449  66  9  20 148 170  12 140   5 16 15  34   9  9 .281 .349 .372 .721    *7H/593             SFG-CHC-PHI64            Jose Cruz     1.7 2005 2008 31-34 330 1063  898 123 211  53  6  29  89 151   6 229   0  9  5  16  11  4 .235 .343 .404 .748      97/H8     ARI-BOS-LAD-SDP-HOU65       Orlando Merced     1.6 1998 2002 31-35 394  902  805 103 222  43  5  26 125  86   9 143   2  1  8  23  12  6 .276 .344 .439 .783    H/793D5     CHC-MIN-BOS-MON-HOU66         Bobby Murcer     1.6 1977 1981 31-35 582 2234 1921 275 519  71 11  70 289 267  35 229   8  8 30  43  35 16 .270 .357 .428 .785  *9/8HD764                 CHC-NYY67           Ralph Garr     1.3 1977 1980 31-34 381 1451 1359 184 382  58 18  22 125  72   7 113   2 15  3  21  21 16 .281 .318 .399 .716     *7/HD9                 CHW-CAL68          Cleon Jones     1.2 1974 1976 31-33 157  610  551  66 150  25  1  13  65  46   3  90   7  3  3  12   3  3 .272 .334 .392 .726    *7/H98D                 NYM-CHW69        George Browne     1.1 1907 1911 31-35 425 1733 1572 181 391  40 23   7  94     103 170   4        54     55 .249 .297 .317 .613      *9/78 NYG-BSN-CHC-WSH-CHW-BRO70      Candy Maldonado     1.0 1992 1995 31-34 351 1146  992 125 247  53  5  42 143 134   6 251  10  3  7  25   4  6 .249 .342 .440 .782     *7/9HD         CHC-CLE-TOR-TEX71     Dom Dallessandro     1.0 1946 1947 32-33 131  247  204  22  53   9  3   2  23      44  23   0     0  11      1 .260 .391 .363 .754      /*H79                     CHC72         Will Venable     0.9 2014 2014 31-31 146  448  406  47  91  13  2   8  33  33   2 107   4  3  2   6  11  6 .224 .288 .325 .613    /*8*9H7                     SDP73       Scott Hairston     0.8 2011 2014 31-34 359  804  743  96 176  42  4  38 115  43   2 187   7  1 10  17  11  3 .237 .281 .458 .739   *H7/98D4             NYM-WSN-CHC74        Charlie Moore     0.8 1984 1987 31-34 306  978  879  87 209  42  9   6  94  71   1 129   3 19  5  26   9  9 .238 .295 .327 .622  *2/9H8D74                 MIL-TOR75            Irv Noren     0.8 1956 1960 31-35 355  672  605  67 157  29  4  12  75  57   9  91   8  0  2  15   2  2 .260 .330 .380 .711    *H/7938     NYY-STL-KCA-CHC-LADRk               Player WAR/pos From   To   Age   G   PA   AB   R   H  2B 3B  HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP SH SF GDP  SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS        Pos                      Tm76          Steve Braun     0.7 1979 1983 31-35 289  476  394  42  98  12  2   8  33  79   3  42   0  2  1   8   1  1 .249 .373 .350 .724    *H/7D95             KCR-TOR-STL77          Chad Curtis     0.6 2000 2001 31-32 146  511  450  72 120  28  1  11  58  51   0  92   2  5  3  15  10  4 .267 .342 .407 .749     /79HD8                     TEX78          Elmer Smith     0.6 1925 1925 32-32  96  320  284  47  77  13  7   8  46      28  20   1         7   6  5 .271 .339 .451 .789     /*79H8                     CIN79           Derek Bell     0.5 2000 2001 31-32 190  805  702 101 172  34  1  23  82  90   5 163   6  4  3  18   8  6 .245 .335 .395 .729    *9/87H1                 NYM-PIT80        Sixto Lezcano     0.5 1985 1985 31-31  72  153  116  16  24   2  0   3   9  35   3  17   1  0  1   3   0  0 .207 .392 .302 .694      /*H79                     PIT81            Max Flack     0.5 1921 1925 31-35 490 2036 1848 269 524  78 25  13 141     148  60   8        32  37 33 .284 .339 .374 .713     *9/H78                 CHC-STL82          Gus Zernial     0.4 1954 1958 31-35 523 1748 1582 204 393  56  7  92 282 133   3 325  12  2 18  45   4  1 .248 .308 .467 .775      *7H/3             PHA-KCA-DET83         Darren Bragg     0.3 2001 2004 31-34 283  600  536  73 131  30  4   7  38  51   2 145   5  7  1   7  11  5 .244 .315 .354 .670     H/987D     NYM-NYY-ATL-SDP-CIN84         Rube Oldring     0.3 1915 1918 31-34 239  917  845  81 205  41  7   7  79      51  53   5        16  18  6 .243 .290 .333 .622   *7/9H854                 NYY-PHA85      F.P. Santangelo     0.2 1999 2001 31-33 226  592  467  84 108  25  3   4  43  85   0 104  22 12  5   7  16  7 .231 .371 .323 .695  /8H7495D6             SFG-LAD-OAK86         Emmett Seery     0.2 1892 1892 31-31  42  178  154  18  31   6  1   0  15      24  19             0      6 .201 .309 .253 .562        /*9                     LOU87           Dan Pasqua     0.1 1993 1994 31-32  89  229  199  24  41  12  1   7  24  26   1  60   0  1  3   4   2  2 .206 .294 .382 .676     /39H7D                     CHW88           Hoot Evers     0.1 1952 1956 31-35 404 1276 1144 151 280  51  7  35 141 104   0 170   8 18  2  33  11  5 .245 .312 .393 .705     *7/9H8     NYG-DET-BOS-CLE-BAL89             Lew Ford    -0.0 2012 2012 35-35  25   79   71   7  13   3  0   3   4   7   0  13   0  1  0   3   1  0 .183 .256 .352 .609     /*7D9H                     BAL90         Glenn Wilson     0.0 1990 1993 31-34 128  415  382  42  92  14  0  10  55  26   1  73   1  1  4  16   0  3 .241 .288 .356 .644    /*9H783                 HOU-PIT91           Al Ferrara    -0.1 1971 1971 31-31  49   59   50   2   8   1  0   1   7   8   1  15   1  0  0   3   0  0 .160 .288 .240 .528       /*H7                 SDP-CIN92      Morrie Arnovich    -0.1 1946 1946 35-35   1    3    3   0   0   0  0   0   0       0   0   0     0   0      0 .000 .000 .000 .000        /*7                     NYG93        Frank Demaree    -0.1 1941 1944 31-34 183  530  472  50 112  14  2   5  55      47  23   0    11  21   5  0 .237 .306 .307 .614      /7H98         NYG-BSN-STL-SLB94              Hal Lee    -0.1 1936 1936 31-31 152  626  565  46 143  24  7   3  64      52  50   2     7  23      4 .253 .318 .336 .655       *7/H                     BSN95          Dick Porter    -0.1 1933 1934 31-32 225  899  808 112 223  34 13   1 103      76  62   1        15   9  6 .276 .339 .354 .693      *9/H7                 CLE-BOS96        Danny Moeller    -0.1 1916 1916 31-31 103  316  270  35  61   8  1   1  24      35  41   2         6     15 .226 .319 .274 .593     /9H784                 WSH-CLE97          Ryan Church    -0.2 2010 2010 31-31 106  238  219  25  44  16  1   5  25  16   1  65   3  0  0   3   1  0 .201 .265 .352 .616     /H978D                 PIT-ARI98         Bert Daniels    -0.2 1914 1914 31-31  71  298  269  29  59   9  7   0  19      19  40   2         8     14 .219 .276 .305 .581      /*987                     CIN99        Gary Roenicke    -0.3 1986 1988 31-33 185  474  401  47  95  18  0  13  53  67   0  68   2  0  4   9   1  1 .237 .346 .379 .725  *7/HD3985                 NYY-ATL100        David Murphy    -0.4 2013 2014 31-32 271  938  852  91 205  51  2  21 103  73   4 120   3  1  8  17   3  7 .241 .300 .379 .679     79/HD1                 TEX-CLERk               Player WAR/pos From   To   Age   G   PA   AB   R   H  2B 3B  HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP SH SF GDP  SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG  OPS        Pos                      Tm101      Jason Michaels    -0.4 2007 2011 31-35 525 1140 1030 121 246  59  4  29 144  86   3 213  11  5  8  22   7  7 .239 .302 .388 .691    *H7/98D             PIT-CLE-HOU102        Jacque Jones    -0.4 2006 2008 31-33 326 1207 1102 140 298  66  4  33 154  83  12 212   8  5  8  35  15  5 .270 .324 .427 .751    *9/8H7D             CHC-FLA-DET103         Randy Moore    -0.4 1937 1937 31-31  21   32   29   3   3   1  0   0   2       3   2   0     0   2      0 .103 .188 .138 .325       /2H7                 STL-BRO104         Walt Wilmot    -0.5 1895 1898 31-34 154  692  638 110 174  22  8  11  98      41  26   0        13     33 .273 .317 .384 .701      *7/98                 CHC-NYG105      Carlos Quentin    -0.6 2014 2014 31-31  50  155  130   9  23   6  0   4  18  17   0  33   4  0  4   5   0  0 .177 .284 .315 .599      /*7HD                     SDP106           Beau Bell    -0.6 1939 1941 31-33 233  805  714  85 183  31  7   5  96      72  68   4    15  18   3  5 .256 .328 .340 .668      9/H73             DET-SLB-CLE107       Ivan Calderon    -0.8 1993 1993 31-31  82  265  239  26  50  10  2   1  22  21   1  33   1  2  2  12   4  2 .209 .274 .280 .554     /9DH78                 CHW-BOS108           Al Cowens    -0.8 1983 1986 31-34 399 1517 1414 163 353  89  9  36 188  83   5 195   5  2 13  57  20  7 .250 .291 .402 .693    *9/DH87                     SEA109         George Case    -0.8 1947 1947 31-31  36   89   80  11  12   1  0   0   2       8   8   0     1   0   5  1 .150 .227 .163 .390     /*H798                     WSH110          Brad Hawpe    -1.0 2010 2013 31-34 182  594  520  52 123  31  2  13  65  66   6 167   3  0  5  12   2  1 .237 .323 .379 .702     /93HD7         COL-TBR-SDP-LAA111     Gregg Jefferies    -1.1 1999 2000 31-32 111  385  347  40  80  16  0   8  32  29   2  21   4  0  5  16   3  6 .231 .294 .346 .639    /DH3457                     DET112         George Bell    -1.2 1991 1993 31-33 406 1709 1595 173 408  71  2  63 262  76  16 208  14  0 24  53   8  9 .256 .291 .421 .713      *D7/H                 CHC-CHW113         Troy OLeary    -1.4 2001 2003 31-33 294  884  788  95 198  37  8  21 115  73   8 151   9  5  9  23   5  5 .251 .319 .398 .717     *7/H9D             BOS-MON-CHC114         Duffy Lewis    -1.4 1919 1921 31-33 275 1119 1026 112 270  35  6  11 164      49  84   3        45  11  9 .263 .299 .341 .640     *7/H98                 NYY-WSH115         Mike Felder    -1.5 1993 1994 31-32 167  497  459  41 100   9  7   1  33  26   2  46   2  9  1   3  18  9 .218 .262 .275 .537   /*7H98D5                 SEA-HOU116       Vince Coleman    -1.6 1993 1997 31-35 350 1485 1364 201 354  52 27  10  91  97   3 244   3 13  8  13 142 39 .260 .308 .359 .668    *7/H9D8     NYM-KCR-SEA-CIN-DET117     Jeffrey Leonard    -1.6 1987 1990 31-34 553 2246 2081 235 534  96  6  63 295 121  16 382  13  1 30  64  43 19 .257 .298 .399 .697    *7D/H98             SFG-MIL-SEA118         Jimmie Hall    -1.6 1969 1970 31-32 162  355  325  32  68  12  5   5  32  28   4  68   0  0  2   3   9  3 .209 .270 .323 .593     /H7893         CHC-NYY-CLE-ATL119         Jason Kubel    -2.0 2013 2014 31-32 142  466  415  33  91  15  2   6  45  48   7 151   1  0  2   7   1  1 .219 .300 .308 .609     /*7H9D             ARI-CLE-MIN120         Joe Orsulak    -2.9 1993 1997 31-35 564 1480 1358 175 356  55  8  20 140  97   6 136   6  3 16  26  11 11 .262 .311 .359 .669    7H9/83D             NYM-FLA-MON

If the 120 who played from 31-on:

10 were worth at least two wins a season over the next five years.

15 were worth 5-10 wins, or between 1 and 2 wins a season.

95 who averaged 1 win or less over the next five years.

31 of the 120 (25%) were worth 0 rWAR or less the rest of their careers.

Based on those comps, I'd guess there's about an 1-in-10 chance Nick is worth a 3/36 or 4/48 type deal, paying for 2 wins per season.

I think that lines up fairly well with the rule-of-thumb assumption that you can value a player at Nick's age by last year's value minus half a win a year, so he should be at about 1.5, 1, and 0.5 wins, or 3 wins total, for a 3/18 contract. Or maybe as much as 2, 1.5, 1, for 4.5 total wins, or 3/27. Much more than that and you're paying a big hometown premium.

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Freaking Visual Studio hung on me so I went to did some numbers.

Nick's 2014 OPS of .729 is far below the MLB average of .771. Yahoo breaks down numbers by position. I had to use Yahoo? Come on bbref.

AND he is clearly not netting us much defensively. At best he is an average defender due to his lack of range.

By the numbers, its clear we could do better in RF.

Its harder to see HOW we do better in RF.

Lough is better defensively, so is de Aza. But how many runs would they actually prevent? OPACY isn't exactly a huge outfield.

Neither of them has proven they can consistently put up a decent offense.

Unless Duq has a better player available, I don't think making a change is worth the potential damage to the clubhouse nor the lose of a (possible) lifetime Oriole.

FWIW, the major league average OPS in RF was .734. Nick was almost exactly average. http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/seasontype/2/split/85/sort/OPS/order/true

I think the idea that you shouldn't sign up an average player to a multi-year deal is usually sound. If Nick had never played for the Orioles, I doubt I'd be clamoring to bring him to Baltimore. My desire to keep him here is tied to the satisfaction I get for rooting for long-time Orioles, and the knowledge that he fits in well on this team.

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If the 120 who played from 31-on:

10 were worth at least two wins a season over the next five years.

15 were worth 5-10 wins, or between 1 and 2 wins a season.

95 who averaged 1 win or less over the next five years.

31 of the 120 (25%) were worth 0 rWAR or less the rest of their careers.

Based on those comps, I'd guess there's about an 1-in-10 chance Nick is worth a 3/36 or 4/48 type deal, paying for 2 wins per season.

I think that lines up fairly well with the rule-of-thumb assumption that you can value a player at Nick's age by last year's value minus half a win a year, so he should be at about 1.5, 1, and 0.5 wins, or 3 wins total, for a 3/18 contract. Or maybe as much as 2, 1.5, 1, for 4.5 total wins, or 3/27. Much more than that and you're paying a big hometown premium.

Why are you giving stats about the next five years, when the discussion about Nick is for a 3- or 4-year deal? By the way, as fond as I am of Nick, I'd be very hesitant to go beyond 3 years, and I certainly don't see Nick getting 4 guaranteed seasons from the Orioles when they didn't give that to Hardy.

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in what realm is markakis average? just stop with that garbage. he has hit well over the mlb average batting average every year of his career, and hasn't committed an error since 2012(longest active streak). not to mention he's the only one on the team that consistently has good at bats

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in what realm is markakis average? just stop with that garbage. he has hit well over the mlb average batting average every year of his career, and hasn't committed an error since 2012(longest active streak). not to mention he's the only one on the team that consistently has good at bats

Lack of caps, quotes batting average and error rate to prove point.

Not sure if serious.

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Lack of caps, quotes batting average and error rate to prove point.

Not sure if serious.

what? lack of caps, how is that relevant? and i would say batting average and error rate are two really important factors for what makes a player "average" or not. if you dont agree with that, ok, but in my opinion they are two of the most important things for a player.

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what? lack of caps, how is that relevant? and i would say batting average and error rate are two really important factors for what makes a player "average" or not. if you dont agree with that, ok, but in my opinion they are two of the most important things for a player.

Well the lack of caps is relevant because it is in direct violation of board rules. I wouldn't think anyone making a serious point would do so in such a manner. Someone sly however, could make a joking post in all lower case.

As for batting average and particularly error rate they are very low on the list of importance for most everyone born in the last 60 years. There is some value to batting average but error rate is less useful then pitching wins when judging a player.

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Well the lack of caps is relevant because it is in direct violation of board rules. I wouldn't think anyone making a serious point would do so in such a manner. Someone sly however, could make a joking post in all lower case.

As for batting average and particularly error rate they are very low on the list of importance for most everyone born in the last 60 years. There is some value to batting average but error rate is less useful then pitching wins when judging a player.

I wasn't aware there was a rule requiring proper punctuation, I thought it was a baseball forum not a grammar forum.

Agree to disagree then. Fact of the matter is a higher batting average leads to higher chance of runs being scored, and minimizing errors leads to less runs being scored for the other team. But I guess runs scored and runs against aren't all that important. I wasn't trying to state that batting average and error rate are the end all be all of stats. They were just two things I could comment on about Markakis off the top of my head. I'm sure if I felt like it I could find plenty of other useful information proving he's an above average player.

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in what realm is markakis average? just stop with that garbage. he has hit well over the mlb average batting average every year of his career, and hasn't committed an error since 2012(longest active streak). not to mention he's the only one on the team that consistently has good at bats

He's almost the very definition of average.

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I wasn't aware there was a rule requiring proper punctuation, I thought it was a baseball forum not a grammar forum.

Agree to disagree then. Fact of the matter is a higher batting average leads to higher chance of runs being scored, and minimizing errors leads to less runs being scored for the other team. But I guess runs scored and runs against aren't all that important. I wasn't trying to state that batting average and error rate are the end all be all of stats. They were just two things I could comment on about Markakis off the top of my head. I'm sure if I felt like it I could find plenty of other useful information proving he's an above average player.

What you are looking for isn't batting average, it is on base average. As for errors, they are so incredibly influenced by other issues as to be worthless. Do you really want to rely on a stat that is derived from the musings of official scorers? The problem with counting errors is not only does the human element decide what is an error but errors do not in any way measure a player's range. In fact as far as fielding percentage goes you are better off having less range. I sometimes wonder if an outfielder stood there and watched a ball drop in front of him, never moving from his set position, would he get an error?

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What you are looking for isn't batting average, it is on base average. As for errors, they are so incredibly influenced by other issues as to be worthless. Do you really want to rely on a stat that is derived from the musings of official scorers? The problem with counting errors is not only does the human element decide what is an error but errors do not in any way measure a player's range. In fact as far as fielding percentage goes you are better off having less range. I sometimes wonder if an outfielder stood there and watched a ball drop in front of him, never moving from his set position, would he get an error?

Yeah, you're right but after looking it up his OBP and OPS are both well above the league averages as well. And that's a fair point as well, but more often than not an error is pretty obvious as such. Just because someone has better range than Markakis, doesn't make them better necessarily. For instance, Markakis finished 6th in the AL in outfield assists and had more than Lorenzo Cain. Not saying Markakis is a better defender than Cain at this point, but he does have some merit.

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He's almost the very definition of average.

He really is. His durability is his supposed strength but at the same time you have to wonder if both he and the team would benefit if he didn't play as much and was rested more. He had a pretty nice first half and then just looked lethargic for awhile. Then looked better after some rest I thought. Sounds like he may have worked more on his conditioning this past offseason than ever before.

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Why are you giving stats about the next five years, when the discussion about Nick is for a 3- or 4-year deal? By the way, as fond as I am of Nick, I'd be very hesitant to go beyond 3 years, and I certainly don't see Nick getting 4 guaranteed seasons from the Orioles when they didn't give that to Hardy.

Approximately 70% of the comps from that search had less than five wins over the next five years. Even if those five wins were concentrated in 3 or 4 years that would make them below-average players.

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Approximately 70% of the comps from that search had less than five wins over the next five years. Even if those five wins were concentrated in 3 or 4 years that would make them below-average players.

Maybe some guys threw up negative 3's like Frenchy in the latter years.

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