Nick Markakis wins Gold Glove

[FlipCup]

Late game legs because he can't get on base enough himself for his speed to matter much

Can we just call an ***hole an ***hole and call it a day :-)

[Can_of_corn]

Totaly agree. Markakis and Gordon are similar. Markakis has the edge due to his arm. Jones is atleast as good as Cain. So I don't think it's laughable at all the Orioles have more OF GG then the Royals.

Which is why Jones didn't finish in the top ten in the fielding bible award. (Cain won the multi-positional award)

Nick finished 9th in RF but was behind a whole slew of NL guys.

Gordon won in left (unanimously).

[Dark Helmet]

Cain is not close to the player Jones is.

Crazy. Cain blooped the hell out of Jones

[Can_of_corn]

Cain is not close to the player Jones is.

Never said he was.

[Babypowder]

Cain is not close to the player Jones is.

They weren't far apart in 2014. fWAR was 5.4 to 4.9 in favor of Jones. rWAR was 5.0 to 4.9 in favor of Cain.

[Dark Helmet]

Which is why Jones didn't finish in the top ten in the fielding bible award. (Cain won the multi-positional award)

Nick finished 9th in RF but was behind a whole slew of NL guys.

Gordon won in left (unanimously).

Who cares. The guys that hand out the GG thought otherwise. Thats the bottom line.

[weams]

They weren't far apart in 2014. fWAR was 5.4 to 4.9 in favor of Jones. rWAR was 5.0 to 4.9 in favor of Cain.

Cain is not close to the player Jones is. And yes, Cain had a good year.

[cacavolante]

With this kind of well supported logic, I'm not sure how any of us could argue otherwise.

I could link to defensive metrics that overwhelmingly support my position and while I know they arent totally reliable I think it is clear enough that I am right. And I think Jones has been greatly improved on defense the last few years.

[Babypowder]

Cain is not close to the player Jones is. And yes, Cain had a good year.

Obviously he needs to establish a track record, but if this is what Cain is going forward they're pretty close.

[weams]

Obviously he needs to establish a track record, but if this is what Cain is going forward they're pretty close.

I think lots of guys have a good year in a career. But we shall see.

[atomic]

They weren't far apart in 2014. fWAR was 5.4 to 4.9 in favor of Jones. rWAR was 5.0 to 4.9 in favor of Cain.

Yeah because if the WAR is close that means they have to be close as players LOL.

[waroriole]

Cain was more deserving then Jones (based off of ability not games played) and he isn't as good in Center as Dyson is. Gordon/Dyson/Cain is a pretty substantial improvement over what the O's have.

But Dyson is nothing but a defensive replacement.

[Babypowder]

With this kind of well supported logic, I'm not sure how any of us could argue otherwise.

Cain over the last 3 years is at 37 DRS in center and UZR/150s were 23.2, 23.9, and 18.7.

Jones is at -16, and his rates were -5.5, -7.9, and 8.7.

You may not like the metrics, but you can't ignore differences that large.

[atomic]

Congrats Markakis well deserved. Great arm and doesn't make mistakes. Perfect guy for Camden Yards.

I like how the detractors think they know more than major league managers.

[weams]

Cain over the last 3 years is at 37 DRS in center and UZR/150s were 23.2, 23.9, and 18.7.

Jones is at -16, and his rates were -5.5, -7.9, and 8.7.

You may not like the metrics, but you can't ignore differences that large.

If we are locked into those metric, you have a point. We won't get to see KC back in the playoffs next season to compare his October miracles.