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This will be the last deal for Cruz. He won't care where his money plays at. He has no legacy to protect. He is already a PED guy. And he worked for free for a year for this.

Well, not exactly free. But I get it. I would see it as him paying a stupid tax. Number one, stupid enough to use PEDs and get caught. Number two, stupid enough to turn down the QO. So the money he forfeited this last year was only on him and his own inflated sense of his own worth, imho. Now, perhaps he makes it up by finding another team stupid enough to pay him a four year /60 million deal, but I don't think it will be DD.

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Well, not exactly free. But I get it. I would see it as him paying a stupid tax. Number one, stupid enough to use PEDs and get caught. Number two, stupid enough to turn down the QO. So the money he forfeited this last year was only on him and his own inflated sense of his own worth, imho. Now, perhaps he makes it up by finding another team stupid enough to pay him a four year /60 million deal, but I don't think it will be DD.

I agree completely.

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271

OBP .333

SLG .525

HR 40

RBI 108

WAR 4.7

Cruz turned out to be a huge bargain for the Orioles in 2014. Baltimore signed him to a one-year, $8 million deal and gave up a draft pick, and got one of the best seasons of his career in return, including a 4.7 WAR, a career-best 40 homers and just the second time he ever has played a truly full season in the majors.

That's a cool story, bro, but the hard truth is that Cruz turns 35 midway through 2015, and the uptick we just saw from him is extremely unlikely to last. In fact, he didn't even maintain his performance throughout the year, playing much more like his 2011-13 self in the second half. Cruz is a dead fastball hitter -- he was .230/.277/.443 against anything else in 2014 -- who likes to pull the ball. If you work him soft away, he's vulnerable, and this approach will last only as long as he doesn't lose any bat speed. He's a mediocre fielder -- he's about average in left field by advanced metrics -- although he looks ugly doing it, and his fielding will only decline as he ages. I think he's about to get paid like an impact, middle-of-the-order bat, although his performance going forward will be much more in that one-year, $8 million range.

That is Keith Law for ESPN, and while I generally have little use for Keith Law I agree with him here.

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Seattle would have as good or better chance than the O's if Cruz leaves us to go to them. They barely missed the playoffs this year.
Cruz would not be as effective hitting in their park. Plus they lose a pick and they are not the MFY, they really can't afford to lose one as much. They'd be better off and cheaper if they signed Butler.
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Cruz would not be as effective hitting in their park. Plus they lose a pick and they are not the MFY, they really can't afford to lose one as much. They'd be better off and cheaper if they signed Butler.

Wouldn't it be something if nobody gives Cruz anything close to what he wants, again? There really aren't that many potential bidders, I think. Especially with the QO on him. In that scenario I guess the Orioles can sign him to a reasonable deal.

I think, however, that Seattle does have the money and it's simply up to the GM if he wants Cruz or not.

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Maybe this has been discussed on this board before and I apologize if it has been. But if Cruz really likes the organization as much as he says he does and truly wants to return, why wouldnt he come back for a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th? If we can make him a decent offer of something like 3/45 maybe that would be enough? He outta be happy making $15 million a year for the next 3 years, especially doing it in a place he wants to be. Of course he could get a 4 year deal from Seattle and guarantee himself another 15-20 million possibly, which he may not turn down. But i keep hearing the Orioles are only willing to go 2 years as of now? Is it impossible to think that Cruz could still be a really good option at DH in 3 years from now? I hope they pony up and offer him at least a nice 3 year deal

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Cruz would not be as effective hitting in their park. Plus they lose a pick and they are not the MFY, they really can't afford to lose one as much. They'd be better off and cheaper if they signed Butler.

Cruz would probably be just as effective hitting in Seattle. He just needs to come to grips with the fact that there are a lot fewer runs scored there, and although his raw numbers won't look as good each hit and homer and walk is more valuable.

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Maybe this has been discussed on this board before and I apologize if it has been. But if Cruz really likes the organization as much as he says he does and truly wants to return, why wouldnt he come back for a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th? If we can make him a decent offer of something like 3/45 maybe that would be enough? He outta be happy making $15 million a year for the next 3 years, especially doing it in a place he wants to be. Of course he could get a 4 year deal from Seattle and guarantee himself another 15-20 million possibly, which he may not turn down. But i keep hearing the Orioles are only willing to go 2 years as of now? Is it impossible to think that Cruz could still be a really good option at DH in 3 years from now? I hope they pony up and offer him at least a nice 3 year deal

Ouch $15-20MM per season for a DH. Thats bananas. I rather go spend $45-60MM on a top FA position player.

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Ouch $15-20MM per season for a DH. Thats bananas. I rather go spend $45-60MM on a top FA position player.

Yes it alot, but it's still a WAY better contract than alot of these teams are giving guys with these huge contracts. I think most people would look at it like we can get 2-3 really good years out of him then it might be worth having him be overpaid the option year even if he isn't at the same level. And if he has declined in skill significantly, we could just buy out his contract for the fourth year. Pujols will be a DH in the next few years I imagine, and will be getting paid alot more than $20/ million per year to do it

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Ouch $15-20MM per season for a DH. Thats bananas. I rather go spend $45-60MM on a top FA position player.

First of all I said $15 million, not $15-20 million. And who wouldn't put up $15 mill a year to have someone put up the numbers Cruz did last year? I think just about every contending team would

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First of all I said $15 million, not $15-20 million. And who wouldn't put up $15 mill a year to have someone put up the numbers Cruz did last year? I think just about every contending team would

Sure I get your point. Just dont forget we have holes at RF/LF/DH and BP with plenty of guys getting pay increases.

I am all for signing Cruz but not for $15MM/year for 3+ years. Take the pick and move on.

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Sure I get your point. Just dont forget we have holes at RF/LF/DH and BP with plenty of guys getting pay increases.

I am all for signing Cruz but not for $15MM/year for 3+ years. Take the pick and move on.

I can see both sides for sure. But if this is our window to win in the next 2-3 years, I'd love to see the Orioles actually overpay for a free agent and really show the fan base they are serious about winning. How are we going to replace the production of Cruz next year? Let's not forget how many games he helped us win and even single handed won for us this year, esp in the early going.

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I can see both sides for sure. But if this is our window to win in the next 2-3 years, I'd love to see the Orioles actually overpay for a free agent and really show the fan base they are serious about winning. How are we going to replace the production of Cruz next year? Let's not forget how many games he helped us win and even single handed won for us this year, esp in the early going.

50% of his HR's came within the first 2.5 months of the season. With only 12 HR's post ASB.

Well with a healthy Manny and Wieters they can provide 40+ HR's and 120 RBI's combined. What I am saying is our lineup is pretty stacked with power hitters. Also, If Steven Wayne Pearce can come out strong again we have more power productions. Maybe we should be looking at a corner OF'er that can get on base more and have SWP as our DH.

The whole "I want to stay in Baltimore" bit is nice but in the end he wants to get paid $$$.

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50% of his HR's came within the first 2.5 months of the season. With only 12 HR's post ASB.

Well with a healthy Manny and Wieters they can provide 40+ HR's and 120 RBI's combined. What I am saying is our lineup is pretty stacked with power hitters. Also, If Steven Wayne Pearce can come out strong again we have more power productions. Maybe we should be looking at a corner OF'er that can get on base more and have SWP as our DH.

The whole "I want to stay in Baltimore" bit is nice but in the end he wants to get paid $$$.

Yeah, you're probably right about him wanting to get paid. And hopefully those guys who are coming back really do have good years and bounce back strong. But we have to be prepared also if Manny comes back slowly like he did this year

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