Toronto looking for New President to be Duquette.

[eddie83]

A little common sense please. It would have been very simple to say "I'm not interested in the Toronto job. I have a 4 year contract with Baltimore. I want to stay here for the next 4 years". He didn't say that and everyone except you knows why.

Agree 100%. DD will continue to fulfill his contract as long as he is here.

The question to me that Peter Angelos has to ask himself is that if DD stays will he be able to be as productive as before? You don't go down the road this far and then come back to the team and everything is all roses. Is it worth it to keep Dan at this point? I don't see how it is possible things will be the same in the FO even if people respect Dan and understand why he would want the Jays job.

[Oriole1940]

Some naive takes in this thread IMO.

My take:

- I don't know how this is "new" as Roch reported on it several weeks ago.

- Typical Rosenthal slant on it which I think undermines him completely

- While I don't think the Jays have talked directly to DD or his representation, they must know through intermediaries that he is interested.

- The way these things typically work is that someone on the Orioles side, probably an Angelos, is contacted by the BJ. He then goes to DD to see if he has interest because it isn't tampering for the Orioles to ask that question. It will only proceed to discussing compensation with the BJ if DD says that he is seriously interested. Then, the real negotiations for compensation take place. The Angelos handling the negotiation will use DD and his staff to determine appropriate compensation so all of this is being done with DD's knowledge.

- It wouldn't surprise me if Angelos was surprised at DD's level of interest when they approached him and that has led to some hard feeelings. PGA has a serious issue with not feeling wanted and letting that get to him.

- I would say this does have legs, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the compensation requested is viewed as outlandish by the BJ. It remains to be seen if a compromise can be reached if that is the case.

- Even if all of this is going on, DD is still working hard and doing everything he can for this organization. There is just no way a guy like him acts differently than that. No way.

My thoughts

IMO best guess so far. Until we get more than he said, they might have said, we are, for the most part, guessing. Hope it is settled one way or the other ASAP.

[fearthenoodle]

Since Epstein is the only other GM, under contract, to be offered a team president position by another team and require compensation, I think the comparison is understandable. Is there another comparison available?

I mean it is inevitable, but that doesn't mean it is all that useful in terms of determining compensation.

Andy MacPhail was traded from the Twins to the Cubs to become their President/CEO in 1994.

[fearthenoodle]

Supply and demand. If the Jays decide he isn't worth much more than Epstein...

...then he will probably end up back with the Orioles.

[Beast]

Supply and demand. If the Jays decide he isn't worth much more than Epstein, then thats what he's worth. Maybe we'll get to keep our guy (or MLB will jump in and force a move), but then we'll have to deal with a "Toxic" environment in the front office according to Roch. Eventually we'll have to settle for less if thats all the Jays are willing to give up.

The situation is toxic while it is unresolved. It doesn't need to remain toxic if the resolution is that DD stays in Baltimore. After the Marlins' last selloff, Giancarlo Stanton demanded a trade and the FO said no. People wondered what an unhappy Stanton might do. I think the Marlins and Stanton have ended up quite happy with the results a couple of years later. It's not so much a matter of professional ethics as it is of what drives both players and GM's -- it's meeting the challenge of trying to do a better job than others. That drive is very likely to remain for DD whether he moves or stays.

[ArtVanDelay]

I agree its not very similar to the Epstein situation, but it also is the best comparison we have. I agree we'll get more than Epstein was worth because of what you said, but to go from a middling AAA reliever to 3 top prospects is crazy. 1 good prospect is likely the max we could be looking at here, and even that might be a stretch.

The Blow Jays won't get Duquette then. Peter isn't giving him up for scraps.

[eddie83]

Since Epstein is the only other GM, under contract, to be offered a team president position by another team and require compensation, I think the comparison is understandable. Is there another comparison available?

All true but Lucchino and Epstein had butted heads before to the point that Theo left for awhile before he came back. Both sides were ready to move on. Angelos doesn't want Dan to leave.

[ExileAngelos]

Can someone give me some background on Norris, Pompey, and Hoffman?

I know about guys like Sanchez and Stroman.

1) Daniel Norris, LHP, Grade A-/Borderline A. Age 21, outstanding season in all respects, posted 2.53 ERA with 163/43 K/BB in 125 innings at three levels. He got killed in rookie ball two years ago but has made enormous progress, projects as number two starter at least.

2) Aaron Sanchez, RHP, Grade A-: Age 22, posted 3.95 ERA with 84/57 K/BB in 100 innings between Double-A and Triple-A, 1.09 ERA with 27/9 K/BB in 33 major league innings. Assumption is that he is a starter long-term. He’s never had spectacular strikeout rates and his command can wobble, but he is an extreme ground ball pitcher and his stuff is among the best of all pitchers in his age group. I had him as an A- last year and can’t reduce that given the season he had.

3) Dalton Pompey, OF, Grade B/Borderline B+: Age 22, hit .317/.392/.469 with 43 steals in 441 at-bats at three levels, .231/.302/.436 in 39 at-bats in the majors. Impressive athlete and a new favorite for Blue Jays fans, stands out for defense, speed, on-base abilities, and improving power. You can make a good case for B+. . .but he's something of a trendy pick right now, although I don’t think he was a fluke overall and this may go to B+ once I slot him on the Top 50 list. He is a lot of fun to watch too

4) Max Pentecost, C, Grade B: Age 21, first-round pick out of Kennesaw State, hit .324/.330/.419 in pro debut in short-season ball. Excellent athlete as catchers go, but was very impatient (two walks, 21 strikeouts) in his first look at pro pitching. Rehabbing from torn labrum, not a good thing for a catcher to have, but his defense is otherwise well-regarded. I want to see how his OBP holds up and if his arm is OK before putting a "+" on there.

5) Jeff Hoffman, RHP, Grade B: Age 21, first-round pick out of East Carolina University, was seen as top five talent until he blew out his elbow, slipping to ninth. Above-average fastball, excellent curve, good change-up, number two starter based on pre-injury command and stuff but we’ll have to see what he comes back with.

[Guest]

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/01/15/brittany-ghiroli-on-if-dan-duquette-will-stay-or-go-to-toronto/

Brittany Ghiroli on The Fan this morning. Ironclad he cant get out of Orioles deal.

[webbrick2010]

1. Doesn't this come down to another competent GM not being able to work with/for Peter Angelos, especially over more than a couple of years.

2. If Angelos plays (is playing) hardball with Toronto and DD what are the chances of getting a desirable replacement for Dan. Won't we be right back to anyone who is considered a rising star avoiding the O's and Anglelos.

P.S. The past three years have been a lot of fun, but I fear that whereas an organization can overcome poor ownership in small windows, that in the long term the organization will return to the mean established by it's leader.

[ArtVanDelay]

1. Doesn't this come down to another competent GM not being able to work with/for Peter Angelos, especially over more than a couple of years.

2. If Angelos plays (is playing) hardball with Toronto and DD what are the chances of getting a desirable replacement for Dan. Won't we be right back to anyone who is considered a rising star avoiding the O's and Anglelos.

P.S. The past three years have been a lot of fun, but I fear that whereas an organization can overcome poor ownership in small windows, that in the long term the organization will return to the mean established by it's leader.

GM jobs for reigning division champions don't come around very often. It would be a very desirable job.

[Mayor McCheese]

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/01/15/brittany-ghiroli-on-if-dan-duquette-will-stay-or-go-to-toronto/

Brittany Ghiroli on The Fan this morning. Ironclad he cant get out of Orioles deal.

Yes, DD cannot break his contract with the Orioles on his own terms; however, Angelos can approve his request to break it/

[sportsfan8703]

IMO best guess so far. Until we get more than he said, they might have said, we are, for the most part, guessing. Hope it is settled one way or the other ASAP.

Exactly. Either DD needs to be let go. Or DD needs to publicly state that he has no interest in the job and take himself out of the running. The biggest thing that people need to understand is the DD wants this job. If not this wouldn't be a story. So for all the good things DD has done, why would the O's organization force him to stay at a job that is not his first choice. It's not like he is some unhappy position player. This guy actually makes critical decisions concerning the entire status of baseball operations.

[eddie83]

1. Doesn't this come down to another competent GM not being able to work with/for Peter Angelos, especially over more than a couple of years.

2. If Angelos plays (is playing) hardball with Toronto and DD what are the chances of getting a desirable replacement for Dan. Won't we be right back to anyone who is considered a rising star avoiding the O's and Anglelos.

P.S. The past three years have been a lot of fun, but I fear that whereas an organization can overcome poor ownership in small windows, that in the long term the organization will return to the mean established by it's leader.

I don't agree at all. There is zero evidence that Dan wants to leave to get away from Angelos. He wants to leave because it is a once in s lifetime opportunity. I am sure some in the media will twist it that way.

I think the Orioles would have no problems finding people who would want the job. They key would be the Buck Showalter factor.

[Bahama O's Fan]

Exactly. Either DD needs to be let go. Or DD needs to publicly state that he has no interest in the job and take himself out of the running. The biggest thing that people need to understand is the DD wants this job. If not this wouldn't be a story. So for all the good things DD has done, why would the O's organization force him to stay at a job that is not his first choice. It's not like he is some unhappy position player. This guy actually makes critical decisions concerning the entire status of baseball operations.

I would not go as far as to say he wants the job. I think we can firmly say he is interested and wants to keep his options open. Maybe he wants a formal interview and job offer to make up his mind. Maybe he is just doing this to get more money and/or power from Angelos.