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What does that mean? Honestly, I have no idea what it means. What action are you advocating? A 150M payroll in 2015 to "go for it"? Trading some of those six now before we lose them? I don't even understand what you're advocating for most of the time. You just seem to complain about what isn't rather than proposing a solution, but maybe I'm missing it. Tell me what you want in clear terms and we can discuss it, but please stop whining about the way the wind blows.

I will do what i like but thanks. Having a 130 to 150 m payroll won't break the Orioles. If the Royals can have a 125m payroll so can the Orioles. Royals have the worse T.V deal in baseball.

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And add more players who will leave after 2015? Smart strategy.

That's the thing stop with these cheap 1 year deals and you don't have this problem.

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I think its smart because they're building for a long term winner that doesn't trade away key prospects or gives big contracts that'll handicap us in the future. Maybe we're not doing all we can to win in 2015, but giving us a chance to win 2015, 2016, 2017, 2017, 2019, 2020 etc is more important to me.

Actually winning a championship means the most to me. I want to be competitive every year, but every American League team other than Seattle has been to the World Series more recently than we have. I would gladly take a championship in 2015 and then five years of mediocrity rather than just being competitive every year but never winning the big prize. Then again, the Royals and Giants last year showed that you don't actually have to be that good to win. Just ride one stud pitcher (or four ridiculous relievers) into the dance and hope it works out for you.

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I think its smart because they're building for a long term winner that doesn't trade away key prospects or gives big contracts that'll handicap us in the future. Maybe we're not doing all we can to win in 2015, but giving us a chance to win 2015, 2016, 2017, 2017, 2019, 2020 etc is more important to me.

Once again tell me a team in the last 10 years that won a WS doing this?

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I will do what i like but thanks. Having a 130 to 150 m payroll won't break the Orioles. If the Royals can have a 125m payroll so can the Orioles. Royals have the worse T.V deal in baseball.

Where did you get the idea that the Royals have a $125 mm payroll? BB-ref projects $94 mm. Last year it was $90 mm.

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Where did you get the idea that the Royals have a $125 mm payroll? BB-ref projects $94 mm. Last year it was $90 mm.

You might wanna go look at what they spent this off-season.

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See, you still can't plainly state what you want to be happy. I think it is because nothing will make you happy. WHAT DO YOU WANT? Please just clearly state it. Is it the 150M payroll in 2015 that you alluded to in the sentence above?

I've already said i would give Cruz the 4th year. I would would do a deal that got Upton. Then play ball that won't even get you to 150m but that;s what i would do.

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I will do what i like but thanks. Having a 130 to 150 m payroll won't break the Orioles. If the Royals can have a 125m payroll so can the Orioles. Royals have the worse T.V deal in baseball.

I think it's fine to believe that your favorite team should spend tons more money. But I don't get the incessant complaining that they don't. At some point it's like complaining about the weather or the sun going down too early. I guess I get no pleasure from hating things I have no control over. I guess others do. I just accept that the Orioles have a mid-range payroll, and don't expect anything beyond that. I'm honestly not disappointed, at all, when the offseason doesn't involve 23 transactions and $300M.

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Actually winning a championship means the most to me. I want to be competitive every year, but every American League team other than Seattle has been to the World Series more recently than we have. I would gladly take a championship in 2015 and then five years of mediocrity rather than just being competitive every year but never winning the big prize. Then again, the Royals and Giants last year showed that you don't actually have to be that good to win. Just ride one stud pitcher (or four ridiculous relievers) into the dance and hope it works out for you.

Well I'll be completely honest. While a championship is nice, its not the end all to me. I just want a fun team that constantly wins more than anything... I'd rather have a team that wins 90+ games each year over a 10 year period instead of winning a championship and then being a 75 win team afterwards from going all in.

If all I cared about was championships, then watching sports wouldn't be fun at all since you'd be disappointed every year.

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Am I missing something? I'm looking at COTS and they don't project to be anywhere near 125M unless they have signed someone since Rios, Volquez, and Morales.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tUTE2VVPkfB9ARpW5-5U-TQ&output=html

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>3) Can we finally acknowledge that David Glass's penurious reputation is outdated? A payroll of $115M is even more than I had hoped for.</p>— Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="

">December 17, 2014</a></blockquote>

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Then you add Kris deal. It's at 120m right now i was off by 5m.

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