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ChuckS Hangout Grand Counsel

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Defense is the reason a team like the Orioles can post one of the best ERAs in the division with a starting rotation comprised of pitchers who are just a little better than average.

Defense is why the Royals beat us in the ALCS, even though we had more hard hit balls than they did.

I can't wait to get Machado and Wieters back in that defense.

Defense can put you over the top and obviously make a difference. No one is going to argue that. But please don't try to tell me that it's equally as important as a team's ability to score runs. That's all I was saying.

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There were a few folks wringing their hands at the idea of 50 saves going away and calling ownership cheap for not stepping up to keep him.

Half of them thought we were foolish for going into the season with no closer. Whether they based it on cheapness.

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Defense can put you over the top and obviously make a difference. No one is going to argue that. But please don't try to tell me that it's equally as important as a team's ability to score runs. That's all I was saying.

It's equally as important as scoring runs. Run prevention = Run creation. In importance.

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Let me pose this another way then since apparently I am being proved incorrect with numbers which I have still failed to to see other than a few random mediocre OPS predictions from Weams. How many players on this team can we EXPECT to play the full season and have above average production at their position?

It would be nice to count five or six players in that category on a good offensive team. I would put Wieters and Machado in there with Jones and Hardy, but I don't think it's likely that both of them play 140 games. I have a good feeling about Pearce, but who knows what he will do.

I think there is a real arrogance on this board in just assuming things will come together for this team because we have had three winning season following 14 consecutive losing ones. There is complete blind faith in the front office and it seems like anyone who questions the path gets shot down pretty fast. We should have added a big bat or two this off-season whether through free agency or trade. Many other teams around baseball, some with more payroll constraints than us, have made quantifiable improvements. We have not and the pickings left are slim.

Pearce, Jones, Davis and Machado. There are very few SS that will out hit Hardy. I think this will be a recovery year for Wieters. I think Schoop's year will be inconsistent offensively. De Aza will probably hit righties pretty well. The O's still need to add a couple of pieces to score as much as they did last year IMO.

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Defense can put you over the top and obviously make a difference. No one is going to argue that. But please don't try to tell me that it's equally as important as a team's ability to score runs. That's all I was saying.

Teams need all three. Good offense, defense and pitching.

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They do have a point. Lineup = Run production. Run prevention = Pitching + Defense.

Sure. I see that. Our pitchers are not stellar. And certainly are dependant on good defense for run suppression. I'd venture that our good pitching is more dependant on good defense than most. And we don't have that Oakland foul territory.

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I think we have a general idea what to expect from certain guys. We know roughly what we will get from Jones. Hardy lost his power last year. Davis all of a sudden couldn't hit a fastball. Wieters has been as durable as any C, then misses most of the year. Manny has had knee issues. Will Pearce repeat? I have no idea how this team will do. They didn't improve OBP, so I hope they hit a lot of HR again. That's a risky way to expect runs.

I don't see why hitting homers is a risky way to score runs. The O's are pretty consistently good about it. It would be nice to have some guys on base when they hit them.

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ok, thanks for clarifying. So it really is just the same thread packaged differently. You are arguing for more money to be spent to fill 3-4 slots. Weird way to argue it by commenting that the 7 bats we are counting on shouldn't be counted on IMO. Also, we didn't offer those two 25M in 2015. More like 22M.

The offers to Nick and Nelson were made but that doesn't mean we have 22M more available than what we've committed to at this point. Arbitration offers were made afterward. Some might not have been made. Also, DD could have offered to these guys knowing he was going to trade someone if they accepted. I'd be very surprised if we have 22M available beyond what we've committed to at this point.

I knew it was the same thread at the beginning.

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I don't see why hitting homers is a risky way to score runs. The O's are pretty consistently good about it. It would be nice to have some guys on base when they hit them.
Actually, it is not only not risky, it is definitive. Chances are good that someone is aboard as well.
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Defense can put you over the top and obviously make a difference. No one is going to argue that. But please don't try to tell me that it's equally as important as a team's ability to score runs. That's all I was saying.

No, that's not all you were saying. You said you don't believe Schoop can be a better than average 2B because of his hitting. I think if he puts up a .650 OPS he will be better than average, and I don't think that's impossible.

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It's equally as important as scoring runs. Run prevention = Run creation. In importance.

Pitching + defense = run prevention. Maybe you are grouping pitching in with defense. I am just talking about a team's ability to field the ball.

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