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Closing has nothing to do with it. 7th and 8th inning dominant relievers are every bit as valuable. This is the trend in the game today. Get your starter through 6 and go lights out with studs in innings 7-9.

To be fair that has been the goal of teams for quite some time. It is just now there are enough high quality bullpen arms around to make it happen.

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To be fair that has been the goal of teams for quite some time. It is just now there are enough high quality bullpen arms around to make it happen.

Not sure I buy that things are any different nowadays than they were at any time in the last 15 years.

2000: starters 4.88 ERA, relievers 4.59, 0.29 differential, 958 IP for starters

2005: starters 4.39 ERA, relievers 4.11, 0.29 differential, 971 IP for starters

2010: starters 4.16 ERA, relievers 3.94, 0.22 differential, 968 IP for starters

2014: starters 3.83 ERA, relievers 3.58, 0.25 differential, 966 IP for starters

The game has swung towards the pitchers, but I don't see that it has bent towards relievers in particular as compared to starters.

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Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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Not sure I buy that things are any different nowadays than they were at any time in the last 15 years.

2000: starters 4.88 ERA, relievers 4.59, 0.29 differential, 958 IP for starters

2005: starters 4.39 ERA, relievers 4.11, 0.29 differential, 971 IP for starters

2010: starters 4.16 ERA, relievers 3.94, 0.22 differential, 968 IP for starters

2014: starters 3.83 ERA, relievers 3.58, 0.25 differential, 966 IP for starters

The game has swung towards the pitchers, but I don't see that it has bent towards relievers in particular as compared to starters.

I was talking specifically about having high quality arms for the 7-9th. I wasn't including the entire bullpens.

Of course I still might be incorrect.

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I am guessing here but I imagine the 11 set up men recorded more IP then the closers.

Not significantly so. And if you exclude Dellin Betences, who led all relievers in WAR and innings pitched (with 90 innings pitched, nobody else on the list had more than 77), the other 10 top WAR setup men averaged 67.3 innings pitched while the top 10 WAR closers averaged 67.4 innings pitched. Including Betences bumps the setup men average to 69.4 innings.

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Not significantly so. And if you exclude Dellin Betences, who led all relievers in WAR and innings pitched (with 90 innings pitched, nobody else on the list had more than 77), the other 10 top WAR setup men averaged 67.3 innings pitched while the top 10 WAR closers averaged 67.4 innings pitched. Including Betences bumps the setup men average to 69.4 innings.

Well color me surprised.

Looking back on it this is probably a by product of bullpen roles.

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