March 3rd game in Lakeland

[Rene88]

It's just one game. So I still have some hope.

But the guy on Tigers' radio was guessing Ubaldo's fate if he doesn't improve. Either he'll get released outright, or else wind up as a $40 million mop-up man.

And then my own brain began churning. Ubaldo had one good inning. Perhaps he might be converted into a 1-2 inning long/middle relief guy. Sure, this is a very expensive middle relief guy, but sometimes that happens. If so, then our logjam with starters will be solved.

Good thoughts...that's one expensive middle relief guy, but valid point.

[Crazysilver03]

Geesh-many of us liked the Jimenz signing...but what in the world......

This is ONE outing, I understand that. But IF, IF...he doesn't improve this spring. Is there a long term plan? Would we cut bait?

My guess is worse case, we fine someone take him as a salary dump. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

Woah woah woah overreaction station.

There were reports that DD tried to shop Jiminez over the winter to no luck.

Also. First ST outing. Nothing to take away from it. Hopefully they are working on stuff or are rusty. You don't cut bait on Jiminez this year unless he is hurting team AND a much better pitcher could help the team. He will be needed next season.

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[Nevermore]

Good thoughts...that's one expensive middle relief guy, but valid point.

My guess is, is that Ubaldo was very tense and ended up reverting to his old form, old wind-up, etc. I'm sure that Wallace and Chiti will be working with him. It's not like he wants to be wild, hit batters, give up runs. But his velocity decreased last year and his old wind-up, which he had used for several years wasn't (and still isn't) working any longer. He has to get into the habit of using the mechanics that Wallace and Chiti taught him, and it has to be like breathing to do this. He may have to start the season in the bullpen in order to continue to work this out. And who knows? Maybe he'll stay in the bullpen as a long/middle relief guy. Yeah, a very expensive one, but better than releasing him outright.

[TeamSchoop6]

15-2. Very tough way to start off the spring, another kick in the teeth his Ubaldo getting rocked. He just isnt working out for us and i wish we could get rid of him and that 40 million dollar contract. Id much rather see guys like Mike Wright and Jason Garcia over Jimenez.

[Rene88]

Woah woah woah overreaction station.

There were reports that DD tried to shop Jiminez over the winter to no luck.

Also. First ST outing. Nothing to take away from it. Hopefully they are working on stuff or are rusty. You don't cut bait on Jiminez this year unless he is hurting team AND a much better pitcher could help the team. He will be needed next season.

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I wasn't overreacting..just asking the question:)

People are ready to anoint Jason Garcia a spot after a good intrasquad game:) Just saying...

This is a message board, it is okay to overreact (I wasn't though).

[Ohfan67]

My guess is, is that Ubaldo was very tense and ended up reverting to his old form, old wind-up, etc. I'm sure that Wallace and Chiti will be working with him. It's not like he wants to be wild, hit batters, give up runs. But his velocity decreased last year and his old wind-up, which he had used for several years wasn't (and still isn't) working any longer. He has to get into the habit of using the mechanics that Wallace and Chiti taught him, and it has to be like breathing to do this. He may have to start the season in the bullpen in order to continue to work this out. And who knows? Maybe he'll stay in the bullpen as a long/middle relief guy. Yeah, a very expensive one, but better than releasing him outright.

Reports say he used only the new windup.

[TouchemAll]

Jimenez was charged with five earned runs, six total, and recorded only four outs. He walked two batters, hit two and threw a wild pitch, but he felt as though he had good command of the fastball and a repeatable delivery.

GOOD COMMAND!!!! OMG I hate to see what happens when he doesn't have good command.

Well that didn't take long were down to 5 starters :rolleyestf: 1st ST outing or NOT getting ROCKED by the plan c team ain't a way to win a rotation spot

[Can_of_corn]

My guess is, is that Ubaldo was very tense and ended up reverting to his old form, old wind-up, etc. I'm sure that Wallace and Chiti will be working with him. It's not like he wants to be wild, hit batters, give up runs. But his velocity decreased last year and his old wind-up, which he had used for several years wasn't (and still isn't) working any longer. He has to get into the habit of using the mechanics that Wallace and Chiti taught him, and it has to be like breathing to do this. He may have to start the season in the bullpen in order to continue to work this out. And who knows? Maybe he'll stay in the bullpen as a long/middle relief guy. Yeah, a very expensive one, but better than releasing him outright.

Why would someone of his experience be "very tense" about a two inning spring training start on the road? What type of fragile flower is he?

[Nevermore]

Why would someone of his experience be "very tense" about a two inning spring training start on the road? What type of fragile flower is he?

Because he had never had a season like 2014. He was doing horribly on a new team where the fans were expressing their anger. I think he's trying too hard to do well, and it didn't work out this time.

And remember, it was just one game, 1 and a fraction innings of a ST game. I think that it's way too early to give up on him altogether. At any rate, unless we release him outright, he's going to be with us for a while. If being a SP no longer works out, then hopefully, he can be used in long/middle relief. But you never know, perhaps next ST game, he will strike the entire side out.

[wildcard]

Tigers announcers said the Ubaldo was squeezed by the ump. No excuse of the error. Or the hit batters.

[Can_of_corn]

Because he had never had a season like 2014. He was doing horribly on a new team where the fans were expressing their anger. I think he's trying too hard to do well, and it didn't work out this time.

And remember, it was just one game, 1 and a fraction innings of a ST game. I think that it's way too early to give up on him altogether. At any rate, unless we release him outright, he's going to be with us for a while. If being a SP no longer works out, then hopefully, he can be used in long/middle relief. But you never know, perhaps next ST game, he will strike the entire side out.

You need to go look at his 2012 season. ERA over 5.00, FIP over 5.00, 9-17 record.

[Can_of_corn]

Tigers announcers said the Ubaldo was squeezed by the ump. No excuse of the error. Or the hit batters.

Or the wild pitch.

[Nevermore]

Reports say he used only the new windup.

The new wind up most likely needs more tweaking. Wallace was quoted as saying during the off season that Ubaldo wasn't yet out of the woods.

[TouchemAll]

Problem solved: Duquette and Jimenez to Toronto for salary relief:thumbsup1:

:rofl:OK I admit it I LIKE this idea

[Nevermore]

Actually, Madison Bumgarner pitched about the same as Ubaldo today.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/bumgarner-roughed-spring-debut-not-worried-about-results

Perhaps we could trade Ubaldo for the Mad Bum.

Seriously, putting things in better perspective, Buck had some things to say. Basically, that it's the first game of spring training. He's not going to panic, so neither should we.

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2015/03/showalter-speaks-after-15-2-loss.html