If, IF, if Ubaldo continues to dominate?

[Nevermore]

I think the only problem with that is one of the Rule V guys (probably Garcia) is gonna have mop up duty. What are the rules for waivers/release for Ubaldo? Can he be put on waivers and anyone claiming him must take his salary? What if he clears waivers? Are we then on the hook for his contract minus whatever anyone signs him for?

It's a little early to think about putting him on waivers in order to release him. Except for one horrendous outing, he did decently out of the bullpen last year. Plus he had a couple of nice starts, including the division clincher. Weigh that against one early ST horrendous inning.

About releasing players. Lets make a hypothetical example: Pitcher John Jones had a 4-9 record with an ERA of 4.81 in the first year of a 4 year $50 Million contract. In August, he was demoted to the bullpen and was left out of the Post Season roster.

The following year, during ST, John Jones pitched 6 gawdawful ST games. He walked 30 batters, hit 10 batters and his ERA was 20.11. Duquette tries to trade him with no results -- no GM is dumb enough to take on that sort of contract with those sorts of numbers. The Os organization decides that the need the roster spot more than they need John Jones. So they put him on waivers. He passes through waivers. If a team were to claim him, they would have to take on his salary. So no one claims him. John Jones is given his release papers. In that case, the Orioles organization would have to eat up the remaining 3 years of that huge contract. John Jones would be a free agent, and can sign with anyone who wants to sign him.

I found this out when I was checking on Jim Johnson's fate with the Oakland As. JJ was horrendous and the A's wound up releasing him and ate up the rest of his 1 year contract, minus what pro-rated time that Detroit signed him for.

Please anyone correct me if I am wrong anywhere.

[Nevermore]

Yes. Technically if a player has never cleared waivers before they have to take the assignment. But not sure how that works with free agent contracts.

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A contract is a contract. So before putting him on waivers, the O's would still be responsible for the rest of the contract. If a GM were dumb enough to claim him off waivers then it becomes their huge contract to pay. But if he passes through waivers, then the O's have to eat up the remaining 3 years of his contract. Then, having been released, he can sign up with whatever team would want him -- probably would have to take a minor league contract.

Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

[Nevermore]

Wow, this talk of releasing has depressed me. So I'm going to put on my orange-colored glasses.

Ubaldo will have a great year. He'll (mostly) get his stuff under control and will win 15 games as a starter.

[Crazysilver03]

A contract is a contract. So before putting him on waivers, the O's would still be responsible for the rest of the contract. If a GM were dumb enough to claim him off waivers then it becomes their huge contract to pay. But if he passes through waivers, then the O's have to eat up the remaining 3 years of his contract. Then, having been released, he can sign up with whatever team would want him -- probably would have to take a minor league contract.

Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

That is exactly what I said earlier. The point of contention I rose is that I don't know if a veteran has to accept an outright assignment.

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[atomic]

A contract is a contract. So before putting him on waivers, the O's would still be responsible for the rest of the contract. If a GM were dumb enough to claim him off waivers then it becomes their huge contract to pay. But if he passes through waivers, then the O's have to eat up the remaining 3 years of his contract. Then, having been released, he can sign up with whatever team would want him -- probably would have to take a minor league contract.

Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

I am sure someone would sign him to a major league contract at the minimum salary. Starting pitching is difficult to find. He had past success. There is no way the Orioles throw 36 million dollars away. He is going to get chance after chance for at least the next two years.

[Nevermore]

I am sure someone would sign him to a major league contract at the minimum salary. Starting pitching is difficult to find. He had past success. There is no way the Orioles throw 36 million dollars away. He is going to get chance after chance for at least the next two years.

But the O's have to eat up the final 3 years of his contract in order to release him. So if they decide to release him, they're going to be throwing $36 million away. Which is why the O's aren't going to release him.

Instead, they would put him into the pen, get Ramon Martinez to help him out. Let him pitch mop up until he gets his stuff together.

BUT....... All this talk of releasing Ubaldo or even making him pitch meaningless mop up Kevin Gregg innings is making me depressed.

SO..... I'm going to put my orange-colored glasses on. Between Wallace, Chiti, and R. Martinez, our guy will get his stuff together and win 15 games.

[Nevermore]

That is exactly what I said earlier. The point of contention I rose is that I don't know if a veteran has to accept an outright assignment.

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I remember reading somewhere. There are waivers for DFA. And then there are a different sort of waivers for giving a player his unconditional release. When Oakland decided to release Jim Johnson, they put him on release waivers. Meaning that the As had to eat up the rest of his contract. And then JJ was freed to sign with whatever team he could sign with. He eventually signed with Detroit for the rest of the year. He was a FA and Atlanta decided to sign him for a year.

[sportsfan8703]

Spring Training:

- In 2012 we lost to a Florida Community College team. Our team was awful all year.

- In 2014 we lost a 5 inning scrimmage to the Frederick Keys. Our team was awful all year.

- Last season Ubaldo's first outing was great, I believe. He won the Cy young.

(All regular stats pulled from memory of overreaction threads)

HAHAHAHA Calm down Ubaldo detractors. The odds of Ubaldo starting OD are 100 times better than him getting DFA'd. Jon Keller. A guy in low/short season A ball last year, pitched a scoreless innning.

[tntoriole]

I would have felt better if he had just thrown strikes and gotten lit up by the hitters rather than the more chronic problem of command issues which he appears virtually unable to correct.

[Larry18]

That is exactly what I said earlier. The point of contention I rose is that I don't know if a veteran has to accept an outright assignment.

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You're asking a question that has multiple answers depending on the type of contract they signed. If a player with 6 years of service time signs a major league contract, then they can refuse the assignment and still receive the full value of the contract.So Ubaldo could refuse the assignment but Mark Hendrickson couldn't.

[weams]

You're asking a question that has multiple answers depending on the type of contract they signed. If a player with 6 years of service time signs a major league contract, then they can refuse the assignment and still receive the full value of the contract.So Ubaldo could refuse the assignment but Mark Hendrickson couldn't.

Good answer.

[Larry18]

Good answer.

I think I should add that the contracts signed by players from Japan and Cuba have some weird clauses that make the standard CBA secondary. i.e Alex Guerrero of the Dodgers can refuse a minor league assignment yet he has less than a year of service time.

[Nevermore]

I would have felt better if he had just thrown strikes and gotten lit up by the hitters rather than the more chronic problem of command issues which he appears virtually unable to correct.

Geez, I hope not. I'm sure that Wallace, Chiti, and R. Martinez will do what they can to help him correct his problem with pitch command.

It's way too early in ST to predict that Ubaldo has a variation of Steve Blass disease.

[Just Regular]

Even if Ubaldo's toast as a starter, I would imagine the club investing at least a full year trying to set him on the Wade Davis path before considering a release. The less competition he becomes for Gonzalez/Norris, the more competition he becomes for Brach/Webb.

[mdbdotcom]

As bad as his first outing was, he did last longer than Norris did today. Just sayin'.