Go Duke!-beat Carolina

[beaner]

UNC has now won 3 out 4 to Duke, so they are playing them well the last 2 years(although that stops next year).

But, where did losing 18 of 21 to them rank(now 18 of 23)?

Not fun, but remember my entire childhood as a fan, and most of my run as a student we kicked Duke's butt year after year.

[beaner]

Imagine the inverse of that, and you'll know how we felt in 2000/2001.

I hear you... I cheered for Maryland in every one of those games, believe me. I root for Maryland for the most part against everyone else. I've always been a huge Gary Williams fan, I honestly think he's the best in game coach in the ACC , and has been since Coach Smith retired.

[Fairfax Bird]

I just checked out Duke's recruits on the Rivals page and I HATE Kyle Singer already. He oozes Duke.:002_sbiggrin:

[beaner]

I just checked out Duke's recruits on the Rivals page and I HATE Kyle Singer already. He oozes Duke.:002_sbiggrin:

Coach Kldwoetsdkfndkgtewriaqdssdsski has taken a lot of grief from Dook Fans lately because of recruiting. He seems to have stepped it up a bit for next year.

[Sports Guy]

Coach Kldwoetsdkfndkgtewriaqdssdsski has taken a lot of grief from Dook Fans lately because of recruiting. He seems to have stepped it up a bit for next year.

Recruiting has been fine...For anyone to get on him about it is just being plain stupid.

[Fairfax Bird]

Yeah, he gets plenty of recruits. SG, does he purposely keep his bench short? In other words, he could probably recruit better players for positions 9-11 on his bench. He always has 7 good players, sometimes 8, but he those 9-11 players are pretty much worthless. Why doesn't he recruit deeper teams?

[inmn]

Coach Kldwoetsdkfndkgtewriaqdssdsski has taken a lot of grief from Dook Fans lately because of recruiting. He seems to have stepped it up a bit for next year.

I would disagree that recruiting is the problem. Duke simply doesn't develop big men well. K is in love with small line ups and historically Duke gets beat by bigger more physical teams. Real tough to win against quality teams when your 4 goes 6'6" 200 lbs. Never played Thomas or Zoubek enough for them to develop.

[Sports Guy]

Yeah, he gets plenty of recruits. SG, does he purposely keep his bench short? In other words, he could probably recruit better players for positions 9-11 on his bench. He always has 7 good players, sometimes 8, but he those 9-11 players are pretty much worthless. Why doesn't he recruit deeper teams?

Maybe he just doesn't like it...Not sure.

Alot of people think Roy will cost UNC a title because they go to deep and give too many minutes to guys like Frasor and not enough to the other guys.

K will retire with several titles, seemingless endless final 4s and the most wins ever by any coach, so you can't really argue with him.

Likewise, Roy Williams has the highest all time winning %, has a title, numerous final 4s and will likely retire with close to 800 wins.

So, who are we to argue with either? Their success speaks for itself.

[beaner]

Recruiting has been fine...For anyone to get on him about it is just being plain stupid.

I don't know if I agree, for a while there, they were getting top 10 guys who were becoming All Americans: ELton Brand, Shane Battier, Jason Williams, Carols Boozer, Michael Dunleavy Jr, and JJ Redick...The last few years have been dissapointing, let's be honest. Paulus and McRoberts have been solid, but not as spectacular as they and everyone expected, and then there's Michael Thompson and Kris Humphries, not to mention Lance Thomas and John Scheyer, who may be ok, but don't look like they;re ever going to be stars. I'll give you Henderson, who looks like he'll be a good one. Overall though, it's been getting worse the last few years. When you build one of the best programs in the nation, you gotta keep up.

[Sports Guy]

I would disagree that recruiting is the problem. Duke simply doesn't develop big men well. K is in love with small line ups and historically Duke gets beat by bigger more physical teams. Real tough to win against quality teams when your 4 goes 6'6" 200 lbs. Never played Thomas or Zoubek enough for them to develop.

Thomas isn't a big man and has played plenty, including starting for a big part of the year and i think his game has developed very nicely.

Now, i do agree that K doesn't do as well with true centers...It will be interesting to see how Zoubek develops.

[Fairfax Bird]

Maybe he just doesn't like it...Not sure.

Alot of people think Roy will cost UNC a title because they go to deep and give too many minutes to guys like Frasor and not enough to the other guys.

K will retire with several titles, seemingless endless final 4s and the most wins ever by any coach, so you can't really argue with him.

Likewise, Roy Williams has the highest all time winning %, has a title, numerous final 4s and will likely retire with close to 800 wins.

So, who are we to argue with either? Their success speaks for itself.

My question really wasn't to criticize. I just think Duke could have a few better players at the end of their bench to give their starters more of a blow.

I prefer the Roy Williams way, but I liked the old UNC model of putting an entire new 5 out there together. Helps with chemistry. Seems to me that Williams subs in and out so much that the players on the floor need to introduce themselves in order to know who they are playing with. Get about a seven man rotation. Then let the blue team (8-12) get after the other team for about 5-7 minutes a game. The other seven will stay better rested but play with more chemistry. You really wouldn't lose much with UNCs 8-12 on the floor.

[Fairfax Bird]

John Scheyer, who may be ok, but don't look like they;re ever going to be stars.

I think John Scheyer is going to be extremely good in two years. He scares me.

[Sports Guy]

I don't know if I agree, for a while there, they were getting top 10 guys who were becoming All Americans: ELton Brand, Shane Battier, Jason Williams, Carols Boozer, Michael Dunleavy Jr, and JJ Redick...The last few years have been dissapointing, let's be honest. Paulus and McRoberts have been solid, but not as spectacular as they and everyone expected, and then there's Michael Thompson and Kris Humphries, not to mention Lance Thomas and John Scheyer, who may be ok, but don't look like they;re ever going to be stars. I'll give you Henderson, who looks like he'll be a good one. Overall though, it's been getting worse the last few years. When you build one of the best programs in the nation, you gotta keep up.

Humphries never came to school...Thompson wasn't good.

Scheyer is already a solid contributor, as is Thomas.

McRoberts was the high school player of the year and every guy you mentioned are McDs AA. Last year, they went to the sweet 16, won the ACC tourney and won around 30 games.

I do see anything as getting worse at all. They are down this year with no leadership, very little experience and lack that one guy(Henderson seems to be becoming that guy now though)who can take over the end of games.

Remember, they are 8 points away from being the #2 seed in the ACC tourney and owning a share of the regular season ACC tourney. If that were the case, they would be 25-6, a top 10 team and a definite #3 seed as of right now.

[beaner]

I think John Scheyer is going to be extremely good in two years. He scares me.

Sure, I can see him becoming a very good player as well, but just look at some of those names I mentioned earlier, they don't have guys like that this year, that's all.

[Fairfax Bird]

DeMarcus Nelson is a dissapointment. Thought he would be better and more of a leader. Not that I shed a tear over that.