Roch: Buck says Matt Wieters to likely start on DL eligible to return April 11

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Buck also states that DHing will not help the process of recovery so they will avoid it.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Buck: "We like where it's headed but we want to make sure it has completely dissolved itself and let him catch without any mental worries."</p>— Roch Kubatko (@masnRoch) <a href="

">March 21, 2015</a></blockquote>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Buck: "We like where it's headed but we want to make sure it has completely dissolved itself and let him catch without any mental worries."</p>— Roch Kubatko (@masnRoch) <a href="

">March 21, 2015</a></blockquote>

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Roch may have transcribed Resolve as dissolve.

[Crazysilver03]

If they expect him back on the 11th, than Clevenger is likely the back up. No reason to bring Lavarnway up for a week to sit on the bench. Unless they plan on sending Joseph down when Wieters is activated.

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[Ohfan67]

I bet it's closer to May 1 than April 11. Maybe closer to May 11. He's caught less than one real spring game, is hitless, and had to be shut down with a sore elbow. I think "we" will be pretty darn cautious. Like at least two or three "full" weeks of catching and some actual hits.

[mdbdotcom]

I found the progression that led to him starting on the 17th a bit odd. He didn't throw at 100% at all and then started a game.

Seems to me it would make sense to get him going with a bunch of catchers drills, making lots of throws covering every possible circumstance, before putting him into a game. The game playing is in some ways the least of his worries. He can get back to game speed in a couple of weeks. Make sure the arm is strong first and then get him into games.

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I bet it's closer to May 1 than April 11. Maybe closer to May 11. He's caught less than one real spring game, is hitless, and had to be shut down with a sore elbow. I think "we" will be pretty darn cautious. Like at least two or three "full" weeks of catching and some actual hits.

Miguel Gonzalez said it would be great to have him back in May.

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I found the progression that led to him starting on the 17th a bit odd. He didn't throw at 100% at all and then started a game.

Seems to me it would make sense to get him going with a bunch of catchers drills, making lots of throws covering every possible circumstance, before putting him into a game. The game playing is in some ways the least of his worries. He can get back to game speed in a couple of weeks. Make sure the arm is strong first and then get him into games.

It's inconceivable that the Orioles would allow him to play a game without having gone through all of his progressions at full speed. What lead you to believe that it didn't happen?

[Ohfan67]

It's inconceivable that the Orioles would allow him to play a game without having gone through all of his progressions at full speed. What lead you to believe that it didn't happen?

Yeah, I think there were quotes from Wieters about game speed versus drill speed where he basically talked about drills. No way the O's (or Boras) would allow that scenario to happen.

[mdbdotcom]

It's inconceivable that the Orioles would allow him to play a game without having gone through all of his progressions at full speed. What lead you to believe that it didn't happen?

The fact that he wasn't cleared to throw at 100% until March 17th, the day he played his first game. Until then, all of his throwing had been done at about 80% and under no pressure. In fact, when he started his first B game (with no base stealing), he threw down to 2nd after taking the pitchers' warmups and was told by a coach to not do that again.

[Ohfan67]

The fact that he wasn't cleared to throw at 100% until March 17th, the day he played his first game. Until then, all of his throwing had been done at about 80% and under no pressure. In fact, when he started his first B game (with no base stealing), he threw down to 2nd after taking the pitchers' warmups and was told by a coach to not do that again.

Good point.

[33rdst]

The fact that he wasn't cleared to throw at 100% until March 17th, the day he played his first game. Until then, all of his throwing had been done at about 80% and under no pressure. In fact, when he started his first B game (with no base stealing), he threw down to 2nd after taking the pitchers' warmups and was told by a coach to not do that again.

The throw down to second was during a minor league game right? So following that game he remained cleared to throw at 100%. So what makes you think he didn't work out at 100% before playing in his first major league game? To think he didn't work out full speed before playing just doesn't make sense. You wouldn't allow your first string varsity catcher to do that let alone your 10 million dollar catcher. I think you can safely assume he worked out at full,speed prior to playing in a major league game.

[Going Underground]

I bet it's closer to May 1 than April 11. Maybe closer to May 11. He's caught less than one real spring game, is hitless, and had to be shut down with a sore elbow. I think "we" will be pretty darn cautious. Like at least two or three "full" weeks of catching and some actual hits.

Who really knows. Catchers rehab are supposed to take around nine months for Tommy John surgery. Wieters could take longer and perhaps like a pitcher 12 to 14 months. He has not caught back to back games and probably won't till at least early April. Be interesting to see if they bring him back as the DH if he will be out into June.

The former All Star was examined by team orthopedist Michael Jacobs, who also has spoken with Dr. James Andrews, Wieters’ surgeon, and it was agreed that Opening Day on April 6 is too optimistic for Wieters’ return, Showalter said.

“Dr. Jacobs is here and did look at Matt completely and I know he has been talking with Dr. Andrews, too,” Showalter said. “And I think … the start of the season is unlikely.”

If Wieters is put on the 15-day disabled list when first permitted by MLB rules this spring, he could be eligible to return to the team by April 11 — the second game of the Orioles’ first homestand. That date, however, also appears to be unrealistic. Wieters’ DL stint may last deep into April or early May — until he shows he can throw without hesitation or soreness.

“This is usually a 10-month (process) at least, especially with catchers. You’re hearing people go down with this and you are talking 12 to 14 months. We’re on — if not ahead of — schedule. A lot of people, when it originally happened, thought even May 1 was a push,” Showalter said. “So I think from Matt’s standpoint I don’t want him to have some false deadline where someone would view it as (a setback if he doesn’t reach it). I’m excited about where we are with it. It is going to happen; it’s just a matter of when.”

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-showalter-wieters-unlikely-to-start-opening-day-dl-stint-looms-20150321-story.html

[mdbdotcom]

The throw down to second was during a minor league game right? So following that game he remained cleared to throw at 100%. So what makes you think he didn't work out at 100% before playing in his first major league game? To think he didn't work out full speed before playing just doesn't make sense. You wouldn't allow your first string varsity catcher to do that let alone your 10 million dollar catcher. I think you can safely assume he worked out at full,speed prior to playing in a major league game.

I have no idea what you read into what I wrote.

He wasn't cleared to throw 100% at the time of the B game. That's why there was no base stealing and why the coach told him not to throw down to 2B again.

He was not cleared to throw 100% until March 17th, which was the last time he played. The fact that he wasn't cleared to throw 100% and the interviews in which he said he'd thrown to 2B at about 70-80% are why I said he hadn't practiced at 100%. He said he hadn't. Buck said he hadn't. Russell said he hadn't. That's why I said he hadn't.

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I have no idea what you read into what I wrote.

He wasn't cleared to throw 100% at the time of the B game. That's why there was no base stealing and why the coach told him not to throw down to 2B again.

He was not cleared to throw 100% until March 17th, which was the last time he played. The fact that he wasn't cleared to throw 100% and the interviews in which he said he'd thrown to 2B at about 70-80% are why I said he hadn't practiced at 100%. He said he hadn't. Buck said he hadn't. Russell said he hadn't. That's why I said he hadn't.[/quote

Let me start over with a question. Do you think that Wieters tendinitis is somehow related to his throwing "100%" between innings in the Twins game? There were no attempted steals in the game, so Wieters didn't get to throw full out during the game. It's more likely that Wieters tendinitis is a result, as Duquette said in his interview today, of him being over worked in an attempt to prepare hime to be ready on the seventeenth.