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I think this would be more to send a signal to the rest of the team about keeping the core than a strict baseball move. With three years of service time left and the fickle nature of pitchers, I would not extend Tillman.

I think that would be a very poor reason to extend Tillman.

My guess is that Tillman is to some degree agreeable to terms that the O's think are fair.

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With three years of service time left, why assume any risk of guaranteeing anything beyond this year? Is an extension (let's assume a 5 year deal buying out two years of FA), worth the risk?

It could be if the terms are right. I wouldn't be interested in extending Tillman at market prices but for the right discount sure.

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With three years of service time left, why assume any risk of guaranteeing anything beyond this year? Is an extension (let's assume a 5 year deal buying out two years of FA), worth the risk?

The assumption would be that there would be a discount for risk built in.

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You can't just never extend any players because you're afraid of risk.

The Orioles are very picky about who they sign to long term contracts and so far, I'd say the Adam Jones one was good. The Nick Markakis one was good. The BRob one was not good. The Ubaldo one is (for the moment) not good.

Tillman has been an effective pitcher for four years, been pretty consistent, reasonably healthy, and established as a core player of the franchise. The Orioles have been kind to those types of players. There is risk, as there is with everything, but at some point the Orioles need to buckle down and figure out who's going and who's staying. The reality that a lot of players are going to walk is 6 months away.

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You can't just never extend any players because you're afraid of risk.

The Orioles are very picky about who they sign to long term contracts and so far, I'd say the Adam Jones one was good. The Nick Markakis one was good. The BRob one was not good. The Ubaldo one is (for the moment) not good.

Tillman has been an effective pitcher for four years, been pretty consistent, reasonably healthy, and established as a core player of the franchise. The Orioles have been kind to those types of players. There is risk, as there is with everything, but at some point the Orioles need to buckle down and figure out who's going and who's staying. The reality that a lot of players are going to walk is 6 months away.

That's pretty debatable if you ask me. I'd disagree.

As for Tillman, it will depend greatly on the terms. I'd side with going year to year with 3 years of control remaining, a lot of risk with pitchers in particular. However, I'm also someone who doesn't really think any of our starters are that irreplaceable, Tillman included. I don't want a deal anywhere near what I suspect he may get in free agency dollars.

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Tillman has plenty of good years ahead of him. If you make the deal for long enough, you can actually assume a year will be lost due to TJ or major injury. I would either play the arbitration game until he is ready to be a FA, or lock him up for 5-6 years now. The worst would be a 3-4 year deal where you are counting on him to be healthy the whole time.

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That's pretty debatable if you ask me. I'd disagree.

$64M for 10WAR over six* years isn't great, but better than a lot of long term contracts turn out statistically, plus they kept a fan favorite in Baltimore for four more years. I don't think you can affix a value to that.

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$64M for 10WAR over ten years isn't great, but better than a lot of long term contracts turn out statistically, plus they kept a fan favorite in Baltimore for four more years. I don't think you can affix a value to that.

Not very good when you evaluate extension deals though. Right?

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