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These scouting reports pertain to what Zimmerman saw on March 16 vs. the Phillies, though the article just appeared yesterday.

Dylan Bundy (30 CV/55 FV)

- He was horrible. No control and or any decent pitches. He is not close at all to the majors. I based the 55 FV on just this start and I think that I may have been generous. He may have a ton of upside, but he needs to find the strikezone first.

- His fastball was 88-94 mph was generally straight with some possible sink. At 93-94 mph, he had no control of the pitch. He was finally able to throw strikes in the 88-91 mph range.

- He had a loopy 72-73 mph 12-6 curveball.

- He has walked quite a few batters during spring training (13 BB vs 9 K in 15 IP). If you are wondering if it is time to buy in with him, check his MiLB walk rate and see if it has improved.

Hunter Harvey (50 CV/60 FV)

- His fastball is 93-95 mph with some release side run. The pitch movement makes it a plus pitch.

- His 12-6 curve was 78-81 mph

- He may have a 2-seamer with a bit of sink.

- He just seemed afraid/cautious of LHH and issued two walks to them.

- He didn't show a second breaking ball and the lack of it is why I am not higher on him. Too bad he got hurt, or I think he could have made an impact early this season.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/quick-looks-bundy-harvey-graveman-appel-warren/

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What, not a single attack on Zimmerman for being some hack who just can't see that Bundy is a can't miss TOR starter. Ah to remember those days when Bundy could have been a big trade chip to bring in a Justin Upton, or Matt Kemp. Perhaps he could still bring back a BJ Upton ... well if we kick in a few other prospects maybe

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What, not a single attack on Zimmerman for being some hack who just can't see that Bundy is a can't miss TOR starter. Ah to remember those days when Bundy could have been a big trade chip to bring in a Justin Upton, or Matt Kemp. Perhaps he could still bring back a BJ Upton ... well if we kick in a few other prospects maybe

You still continue to overvalue Kemp and Upton.

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I'd rather have Justin Upton in LF in place of De Aza making the 2015 a legitimate WS contender, than watch Dylan Bundy be given a roster spot on the 2016 Orioles (because DD signed a High School Pitcher to a ML contract) and flounder in the bullpen, and never develop into a starting ML pitcher

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I'd rather have Justin Upton in LF in place of De Aza making the 2015 a legitimate WS contender, than watch Dylan Bundy be given a roster spot on the 2016 Orioles (because DD signed a High School Pitcher to a ML contract) and flounder in the bullpen, and never develop into a starting ML pitcher

Yep, those are the only two possibilities.

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I'd rather have Justin Upton in LF in place of De Aza making the 2015 a legitimate WS contender, than watch Dylan Bundy be given a roster spot on the 2016 Orioles (because DD signed a High School Pitcher to a ML contract) and flounder in the bullpen, and never develop into a starting ML pitcher

Ahh, the 20/20 value of hindsight. This will be a nice post for us to repost when Dylan comes back. And for Mr. Zimmerman.

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What, not a single attack on Zimmerman for being some hack who just can't see that Bundy is a can't miss TOR starter. Ah to remember those days when Bundy could have been a big trade chip to bring in a Justin Upton, or Matt Kemp. Perhaps he could still bring back a BJ Upton ... well if we kick in a few other prospects maybe

This makes me think of a guy who, after reading the report from the private investigator he hired, raises his hands in triumph and shouts, "I knew it, my wife is cheating on me!"

But, alas, you are right. There is no hope for poor Dylan now. This one appearance is the proof, and an expert has said so. We are doomed.

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I think concern about Bundy is fair right now. Going to be an important summer for him given the opening we'll have in our starting rotation next year and the fact we have to carry him on the big club all year in 2016. I'm less interested in him impacting the O's this year; I think we have plenty of pitching depth, at least at this point. Ideally, we'd see him throw well at AA for half the season and let him pitch in Norfolk for the other half, with a September call-up possible.

All that said, I think a healthy dose of concern is fair at this point.

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These scouting reports pertain to what Zimmerman saw on March 16 vs. the Phillies, though the article just appeared yesterday.

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/quick-looks-bundy-harvey-graveman-appel-warren/

I thought about posting this but held off when the author admitted not being able to get a very good look. He watched it on a broadcast, most likely mlb.tv, just like we did.

Some pitchers I watch will only throw an inning or two. Also, some broadcasts don?t have radar readings. Finally, the camera angles are horrible.

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It's like Charlie Brown kicking the football, always surprised that Lucy pulls it away

The Orioles haven't developed a HS pitcher into a decent ML starter in 3 decades

But Bundy was going to be different, this regime is better, yada yada yada.

Lol, you really are like the broken record that you have to walk over and adjust the needle so it stops skipping over and over again.

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This makes me think of a guy who, after reading the report from the private investigator he hired, raises his hands in triumph and shouts, "I knew it, my wife is cheating on me!"

But, alas, you are right. There is no hope for poor Dylan now. This one appearance is the proof, and an expert has said so. We are doomed.

So you're saying this is a bad time to mention that we could have had Anthony Rendon playing 2B for us the last 2 years?

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I thought about posting this but held off when the author admitted not being able to get a very good look. He watched it on a broadcast, most likely mlb.tv, just like we did.

Some pitchers I watch will only throw an inning or two. Also, some broadcasts don?t have radar readings. Finally, the camera angles are horrible.

I saw the article yesterday and decided not to post about it.

It was such a throwaway piece that I was hoping it would just slip by unnoticed.

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