For What it's worth.....

[Harry Carry]

What I have heard the Cubs have offered Gallegher,Veal and Cedeno.

[brvn52]

What I have heard the Cubs have offered Gallegher,Veal and Cedeno.

I don't think the O's take that deal. If the Cubs have actually offered that, then I think it comes down to the Indians or keeping BRob IMO.

[george1120]

What I have heard the Cubs have offered Gallegher,Veal and Cedeno.

Source?

Or heresay?

[Eddie_Ripken]

The vet pitcher.........

Say you're out car shopping and you've found a car you are satisfied with(O's current rotation 1 -4) but it needs wheels(5th starter).....you got some wheels at home(Olson, Penn, Albers...) but you're not sure they'll fit...but you sign the papers to buy it so you are committed. While you're there the salesman says "Look man, I got this great scooter out back I can give you a great deal on"(Lohse)...so you take a look at it....he's right, runs good, good price...won't get you any chicks but it will be of good service while you figure out if your wheels will fit your new car....all the while knowing you can turn around and sell the scooter(Lohse) and maybe even the stereo(Trachsel) out of the car in a few months and make a little profit. You get the car you wanted, had a back-up plan for the wheels and in the end made some profit.

It's kind of like that.....only with people!!

[Fan4Life]

I tend to agree, it's just that Miller has ace potential and that's something a lot of our pitchers don't have. He would become our #1 pitching prospect. If Peralta and Miller was the final offer, I would take it. We take a side step by trading BRob and getting Peralta (fill SS hole but open up one at 2B) but we would also add a top pitching prospect (he was the #30 ranked prospect on BA's list). I think you do that deal and then look elsewhere for a 2B.

Do you know what Sickels rated him?

[DrungoHazewood]

The plan is to sign a guy like Lohse for one year, then possibly look to trade him in July...Basically, he serves as a stop gap to allow the young pitchers a few more months of MiL pitching.

If this is still the plan, it is a good one IMO.

What i want to know is does this mean Trax is still handed a spot or does he actually have to earn it?

Are you really on board with a rotation that includes both Trachsel and Lohse, while all of Olson, Liz, Penn and the other kids go to Norfolk? I just don't understand why I team in the O's situation would do this. Maybe one of Trax and Lohse, but both seems pretty indefensible.

[laxtonto]

The vet pitcher.........

Say you're out car shopping and you've found a car you are satisfied with(O's current rotation 1 -4) but it needs wheels(5th starter).....you got some wheels at home(Olson, Penn, Albers...) but you're not sure they'll fit...but you sign the papers to buy it so you are committed. While you're there the salesman says "Look man, I got this great scooter out back I can give you a great deal on"(Lohse)...so you take a look at it....he's right, runs good, good price...won't get you any chicks but it will be of good service while you figure out if your wheels will fit your new car....all the while knowing you can turn around and sell the scooter(Lohse) and maybe even the stereo(Trachsel) out of the car in a few months and make a little profit. You get the car you wanted, had a back-up plan for the wheels and in the end made some profit.

It's kind of like that.....only with people!!

GENIUS!!!!!

[brvn52]

Do you know what Sickels rated him?

59

Basically said, if healthy he's in the top 20, but he has had some injury problems.

[MP]

Are you really on board with a rotation that includes both Trachsel and Lohse, while all of Olson, Liz, Penn and the other kids go to Norfolk? I just don't understand why I team in the O's situation would do this. Maybe one of Trax and Lohse, but both seems pretty indefensible.

Not to speak to those 2 in particular, but you gotta think of your bullpen as well. You can't have back to back to back to back games where your starter only gets you 7 outs or so. The guys will be dead by June.

[amateurfan]

The vet pitcher.........

Say you're out car shopping and you've found a car you are satisfied with(O's current rotation 1 -4) but it needs wheels(5th starter).....you got some wheels at home(Olson, Penn, Albers...) but you're not sure they'll fit...but you sign the papers to buy it so you are committed. While you're there the salesman says "Look man, I got this great scooter out back I can give you a great deal on"(Lohse)...so you take a look at it....he's right, runs good, good price...won't get you any chicks but it will be of good service while you figure out if your wheels will fit your new car....all the while knowing you can turn around and sell the scooter(Lohse) and maybe even the stereo(Trachsel) out of the car in a few months and make a little profit. You get the car you wanted, had a back-up plan for the wheels and in the end made some profit.

It's kind of like that.....only with people!!

Now I want a scooter.

[laxtonto]

I read from the book of Sickels....

Adam Miller

When Adam Miller is healthy, hes one of the best pitching prospects in baseball, featuring a mid 90's fastball, above average breaking stuff and excellent command. He was strong and dominant in 2006, but in 07 was another story. After a strong opening, he hurt his middle finger in May, then hurt his eldow in July. By the end of the year, he was still itting hte mid 90's but his command was gone, and he was unable to use his breakin stuff effectively. Obviously, his future depends on the condition of his arm. Monitor health reports closely. This is a Grade A talent with serious health concern, enought to knock him back to Grade B given the uncertinity. Feel free to rasie that back up if hes away from the doctors in the Spring.

So speaks the gospel of sickles from the 2008 prospect book p 270

[DrungoHazewood]

Not to speak to those 2 in particular, but you gotta think of your bullpen as well. You can't have back to back to back to back games where your starter only gets you 7 outs or so. The guys will be dead by June.

If the pen is run Perlozzo-style, where it's a mortal sin to for anyone to pitch more than an inning and a third. If I were the O's and they had five straight starts with somebody getting bombed I'd have some combination of Sarfate, Albers, Liz, Penn, etc pitching long relief and going 4-5 innings at a stretch.

This idea that 12 pitchers is a necessity is an invention. You think teams in the 70s and 80s never had three or four bad starts in a row? They made it through with 4- and 5-man pens. They just used their pitchers for more than a few batters.

I think 50 games/100 innings is a much better, healthier way to use a pitcher than 78 games/65 innings.

[tennOsfan]

I don't like the idea of two mediocre veteran pitchers in the rotation. One is enough.

[SHAWN555]

I'm not crazy about signing another vet pitcher but let's face it none of the young guys appear ready. Liz and Olson need to work on thier mechanics and control. Penn is still rehabbing basically and needs to build arm strength and getting in pitching shape. Albers sounds like a bust to me.Loewen might not even be ready. Adding a vet would keep them from burning up the bullpen which has issues of it's own.Leicaster and Burres would probably be servicable starters but they might be long relievers also.. I won't like the Cubs deal unless Eric Patterson is in it. I think he's a legit prospect. At least the Roberts issue will be resovled soon. Everybody wants it over with one way or the other.

And you are basing this on what?

The one appearance each one of them has had.

[JTrea81]

What I have heard the Cubs have offered Gallegher,Veal and Cedeno.

And bigbird has already said this. They just needed to agree on the 4th player...