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I'd have to think the Indians could easily top the offer from the Cubs (unless they include Ceda) if they wanted too. I guess if they want to is what we will see. Do they intend to move Sizemore down in the lineup? I'm not too familiar with the Tribe's farm system. Do they have any good positional prospects? I'm just glad this saga might finally be over...

The only positional prospect they had in BA's top 100 was Beau Mills (87), a 1B/3B. Unfortunately, he was drafted last year so he wouldn't be able to be traded for unless he was a PTBNL (which won't happen - let's not get into that). They have 2 pitchers in BA's top 100: Adam Miller and Chuck Lofgren.

One of those 2 pitchers would have to be involved in a deal IMO along with 1 of Barfield/Peralta/Cabrera and, depending one which ones are chosen, maybe up to 1 or 2 lower prospects.

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I think the Cubs would take on Payton money so I don't see a 5th player in the deal.What does Roberts make about 6.5 million for 2 years so there is 13 million there plus whatever Payton makes so that is alot of money off the Orioles salary.The players the Orioles would get back are preety much major league minium guys.So thats saving the Orioles about 11.5 million.

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If not Burres than several other guys from the Liz, Penn, Albers, Sarfate, Leicester pool of potential swingmen.

I am a strong believer that Burres has MUCH more value to the O's in the pen (as he can eat up innings whenever needed and be much more effective - see last year) and that the 5th spot in the rotation should be reserved for one of our young pitchers.

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I agree...but since our guys aren't that good, they are asked to come in, throwing max effort to a few batters against whom they have decent splits against. Even the very BEST guys in or bullpen are considered specialists/LOOGYs. We don't have a guy that we can just say, "hey, the 7th and possibly the 8th are yours, no matter who is coming up to bat." They are handled that way because of who they are, not the other way around.

I'm comfortable using everyone except Chad Bradford as a multi-batter pitcher, and most of the guys I've mentioned in this thread were starters in the minors last year. I'm not asking them to come in and throw at max effort, I'm asking them to come in just like it's the first inning and give us 4-5 good ones.

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I think it doesn't exists because the pitchers aren't groomed to DO that anymore.

Well then they should be.

And I'm not sure you're right. There are a lot of minor league teams that use stacked pitching rotations, where they have a starter go four, and a scheduled reliever (who may be a starter, too) cover the 5th-8th. Not only that, but most pro pitchers were the best players on their high school or college team, and they basically pitched when needed in schedules that look quite different from those in the pros.

Pitchers are a lot more resilient than they're given credit for.

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I think the Cubs would take on Payton money so I don't see a 5th player in the deal.What does Roberts make about 6.5 million for 2 years so there is 13 million there plus whatever Payton makes so that is alot of money off the Orioles salary.The players the Orioles would get back are preety much major league minium guys.So thats saving the Orioles about 11.5 million.

Payton makes 5 million this season.

Roberts salary is a bargain so that has no affect on the deal imo.

If adding Payton will cost us from getting a fourth player than we will keep him and send him to white sox for Uribe who may net us an extra draft pick when he becomes a free agent.

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I think the Cubs would take on Payton money so I don't see a 5th player in the deal.What does Roberts make about 6.5 million for 2 years so there is 13 million there plus whatever Payton makes so that is alot of money off the Orioles salary.The players the Orioles would get back are preety much major league minium guys.So thats saving the Orioles about 11.5 million.

Roberts should make $6.3 million in 2008 and $8 million in 2009.

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What I have heard the Cubs have offered Gallegher,Veal and Cedeno.

I would think that this wouldn't be enough IMO. I wonder what the Indians are offering. How come we hear so much about the Cubs offers, but there has really been nothing about the players the Indians are offering. I wish I could compare the 2 offers.

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