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So the New Orleans Pelicans fire head coach Monty Williams after making the playoffs for the first time in five years. They zero in on coaching phenom... Alvin Gentry? To take them to the promised land? Well, I'm sure that's what they'll advertise.

Let's move to Baltimore. They've had hitting coach Jim Presley for some time, but the offense was struggling in certain departments. So the team reassigns him and hires Scott Coolbaugh. We are told this is the guy that will turn Chris Davis around, get batters to take more walks, etc. The result? Right now we may be the worst hitting team in baseball.

Way, way too often people look elsewhere instead of trying to improve on what they have. See it all the time, in every major team sport. Usually the worst teams are in constant turnover, and don't even realize that the instability in the organization is self fulfilling.

My point is, the team can make a few moves here and there but fans, do be careful calling for someone's head when things aren't going well. More often than not, the alternative is no better.

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So the New Orleans Pelicans fire head coach Monty Williams after making the playoffs for the first time in five years. They zero in on coaching phenom... Alvin Gentry? To take them to the promised land? Well, I'm sure that's what they'll advertise.

Let's move to Baltimore. They've had hitting coach Jim Presley for some time, but the offense was struggling in certain departments. So the team reassigns him and hires Scott Coolbaugh. We are told this is the guy that will turn Chris Davis around, get batters to take more walks, etc. The result? Right now we may be the worst hitting team in baseball.

Way, way too often people look elsewhere instead of trying to improve on what they have. See it all the time, in every major team sport. Usually the worst teams are in constant turnover, and don't even realize that the instability in the organization is self fulfilling.

My point is, the team can make a few moves here and there but fans, do be careful calling for someone's head when things aren't going well. More often than not, the alternative is no better.

Who told you that?

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I haven't heard any body calling for Coolbough's head. Your the first to bring up the idea IRRC.

I think his point was more that Jim Presley shouldn't have been reassigned in the first place.

But if the O's have the worst OPS in baseball in June (as they have for May), I'm sure Coolbaugh will come under fire.

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No idea what the point of this post was but Gentry was highly sought after this year. He turned the Clippers offense around last year and then again with the warriors this year. Hes thought of as an offensive genius. His head coaching career had him coaching rebuilding teams. He now has a team with talent.

The hating on Alvin Gentry makes me think this is a troll thread or started by somebody with limited bball knowledge.

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I think his point was more that Jim Presley shouldn't have been reassigned in the first place.

But if the O's have the worst OPS in baseball in June (as they have for May), I'm sure Coolbaugh will come under fire.

I tought Presley was reassigned for personal reasons.http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/24/orioles-reassign-hitting-coach-jim-presley-for-personal-reasons/
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I don't really mean Coolbaugh, just overall "get rid of (insert name here), he's a bum"-- I'm sorry if I didn't word it right.
I don't think any of the players are bums but I do think we need a serious upgrade at COF and we can't keep waiting for Tilman and Norris to come around if we want to contend this season.
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No idea what the point of this post was but Gentry was highly sought after this year. He turned the Clippers offense around last year and then again with the warriors this year. Hes thought of as an offensive genius. His head coaching career had him coaching rebuilding teams. He now has a team with talent.

The hating on Alvin Gentry makes me think this is a troll thread or started by somebody with limited bball knowledge.

Good enough to dump Monte Williams. Gentry had nothing going for him until he gets to Phoenix and then has a playoff contending team in a tough conference. How is he rewarded? Fired after a bad start in his fifth season. Williams gets fired after getting his team back to the playoffs for a guy who was also fired in his fifth season... for another guy (Jeff Hornacek) who's done about as well as Gentry (except he hasn't made the playoffs yet). This is just one example in a long line. The NHL is the worst when it comes to the coaching carousel. Sometimes it works out.

But it happens with players too, all the time. One bad stretch and -poof- get rid of them. Can't play anymore. That's why you look for players on the rebound, cheap, and you don't overpay for the hot guy.

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So the New Orleans Pelicans fire head coach Monty Williams after making the playoffs for the first time in five years. They zero in on coaching phenom... Alvin Gentry? To take them to the promised land? Well, I'm sure that's what they'll advertise.

Let's move to Baltimore. They've had hitting coach Jim Presley for some time, but the offense was struggling in certain departments. So the team reassigns him and hires Scott Coolbaugh. We are told this is the guy that will turn Chris Davis around, get batters to take more walks, etc. The result? Right now we may be the worst hitting team in baseball.

Way, way too often people look elsewhere instead of trying to improve on what they have. See it all the time, in every major team sport. Usually the worst teams are in constant turnover, and don't even realize that the instability in the organization is self fulfilling.

My point is, the team can make a few moves here and there but fans, do be careful calling for someone's head when things aren't going well. More often than not, the alternative is no better.

Every year we hear the same thing, mostly out of the same people: "well, the Orioles are so pathetic at doing XYZ they might as well fire the coach because it can't get any worse." When the reality is usually that the Orioles aren't as bad as the short-term slump that initiated the comment, and when they do end up replacing a coach the impact on the team is hardly discernible. And at least in short spurts whatever the team does turns into a Rorschach test. Remember when Scott Coolbaugh taught Adam Jones how to lay off bad pitches and that directly led to him hitting .400 in April?

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