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Would you sign Manny for 11/$231 mm?


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Would you sign Manny for 11/$231 mm?  

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  1. 1. Would you sign Manny for 11/$231 mm?

    • Yes, sign him up today!
    • I'd do it, but only if Manny stays healthy the rest of 2015
    • No, too rich/risky for my blood

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You really expect DD to trade Machado and/or Jones? Highly highly doubtful.

I have my doubts on whether PA would allow any of them to be dealt, but that doesn't mean it's not the wrong thing to do. What we do with our big three (Machado, Jones and Britton) is going to have huge impacts on

the future success of the team. The right decision would mean we'd be competitive after they are gone and the wrong might mean another 10 years of losing. If they can't be signed, they can't be allowed to walk for

picks.

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The other revenue isn't going up. The Orioles made 8.8 million last year according to Forbes. Where else would the additional money come from?

TV rights is a huge income not to be ignored. That is why the litigation with the Nats is so important for the future of the franchise.

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There is no bidding. For two more years. It's "Do you want 10/300 or not." There is nothing else. No opt out. No nothing.

I'm with you Weams,10 years 300 mil is great money but we need to do it as soon as

possible before he puts up too many monster numbers. If you look at what he has done

so far I think this is more than fair but I am scared if we wait too long he will as

everyone says price himself way out of our range.

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I have my doubts on whether PA would allow any of them to be dealt, but that doesn't mean it's not the wrong thing to do. What we do with our big three (Machado, Jones and Britton) is going to have huge impacts on

the future success of the team. The right decision would mean we'd be competitive after they are gone and the wrong might mean another 10 years of losing. If they can't be signed, they can't be allowed to walk for

picks.

I hate to say this, but if this shoulder/rib cage business becomes a nagging issue and dampens his performance for the next few seasons, Jones may just barely be worth a QO. And he might accept it as Wieters did this year. Up to now, he's been a rock, but we'll see how things go this year. He was clearly playing through pain late last summer.

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I hate to say this, but if this shoulder/rib cage business becomes a nagging issue and dampens his performance for the next few seasons, Jones may just barely be worth a QO. And he might accept it as Wieters did this year. Up to now, he's been a rock, but we'll see how things go this year. He was clearly playing through pain late last summer.

That's certainly a possibility, too. I sure hope he can hold together this year and put up his usual numbers.

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I hate to say this, but if this shoulder/rib cage business becomes a nagging issue and dampens his performance for the next few seasons, Jones may just barely be worth a QO. And he might accept it as Wieters did this year. Up to now, he's been a rock, but we'll see how things go this year. He was clearly playing through pain late last summer.

And if his shoulder/"rib cage" is a problem throughout this year that causes him to miss significant time, you can forget about getting any kind of A-level prospect by trading him next winter.

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He may be turning into a Trout/Harper talent. Or, he may be off to a hot start. I'm wishing for the O's to be proactive rather than reactive. That may be like Charlie Brown hoping to kick the football...

Did you miss 2015? Coming off injury no less?

It has been about a 200 game "hot streak" and counting, and I don't suspect it is going to end anytime soon.

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TV rights is a huge income not to be ignored. That is why the litigation with the Nats is so important for the future of the franchise.

I think that money will be going down in the future. The reason MASN makes so much money is that every cable/satellite subscriber in the market is paying them over 3 dollars a month whether they watch MASN or not (And most of them don't) I believe the future is people buying the channels they want. And if that happens MASN and the other sports networks are going to be hurting. First off people would only subscribe to MASN during the baseball season. Second when the price is 40 dollars a month how many people would subscribe? I am guessing not too many. So there is no way they could keep revenue up.

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I've noticed over the past year, Manny is never mentioned with Harper nor Trout anymore. Does he deserve to be? I'm not sure but I think he is going to have a monster 2016 season and the media will be forced to mention Manny with Bryce and Trout.

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Did you miss 2015? Coming off injury no less?

It has been about a 200 game "hot streak" and counting, and I don't suspect it is going to end anytime soon.

I haven't missed anything. I also haven't missed two season ending injuries in the last 3 years. This is a complicated equation.

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I think folks who are jumping to the conclusion that Manny will get $40 mm/yr need to cool their jets a bit. Nobody's made anything close to that yet, and it's not like Manny is sitting on multiple HR titles or MVP awards. Three years from free agency he's looking at $25-30 mm/yr for his free agent seasons. Yes, if he's healthy for three years and performs similarly to last year, he might be in the $32-35 mm/yr range, but he's not ARod, who was obviously the best player of his generation. Manny's more like no. 3-6, behind Trout and Harper and maybe a few others like Correa.

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I think folks who are jumping to the conclusion that Manny will get $40 mm/yr need to cool their jets a bit. Nobody's made anything close to that yet, and it's not like Manny is sitting on multiple HR titles or MVP awards. Three years from free agency he's looking at $25-30 mm/yr for his free agent seasons. Yes, if he's healthy for three years and performs similarly to last year, he might be in the $32-35 mm/yr range, but he's not ARod, who was obviously the best player of his generation. Manny's more like no. 3-6, behind Trout and Harper and maybe a few others like Correa.
I think you underestimate the exponential growth of FA contracts. If Manny had been a FA this season he would have gotten more than Price IMO. In three years that could well be close to 40 M AAV.
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I think folks who are jumping to the conclusion that Manny will get $40 mm/yr need to cool their jets a bit. Nobody's made anything close to that yet, and it's not like Manny is sitting on multiple HR titles or MVP awards. Three years from free agency he's looking at $25-30 mm/yr for his free agent seasons. Yes, if he's healthy for three years and performs similarly to last year, he might be in the $32-35 mm/yr range, but he's not ARod, who was obviously the best player of his generation. Manny's more like no. 3-6, behind Trout and Harper and maybe a few others like Correa.

None of those guys besides ARod have hit FA.

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I haven't missed anything. I also haven't missed two season ending injuries in the last 3 years. This is a complicated equation.

He's played, what, 170-some consecutive games? And he's a not-quite-24-year-old who already has two six-win seasons under his belt. He's among the top 5 most valuable players in baseball. He's averaging 5.6 wins per 150 games, compared to Frank Robinson's tenure with the O's at 6.0 wins per 150.

Signing him to an extension would be, more-or-less, my only priority.

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