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Would you sign Manny for 11/$231 mm?

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Would you sign Manny for 11/$231 mm?  

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  1. 1. Would you sign Manny for 11/$231 mm?

    • Yes, sign him up today!
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    • I'd do it, but only if Manny stays healthy the rest of 2015
      19
    • No, too rich/risky for my blood
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There are two problems with this as I see it. One, Manny has had two season ending injuries in the last two years. Two, if he turns out to be a tremendous bargain because we are smart enough to do this, would he stand for it or demand more money? I suspect the latter.

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There are two problems with this as I see it. One, Manny has had two season ending injuries in the last two years. Two, if he turns out to be a tremendous bargain because we are smart enough to do this, would he stand for it or demand more money? I suspect the latter.
I suspect a trade off. He would accept less value to guarantee his arb years and a couple of FA years for security, but no longer. If the O's want to lock him up log term they will have to pay.
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I suspect a trade off. He would accept less value to guarantee his arb years and a couple of FA years for security, but no longer. If the O's want to lock him up log term they will have to pay.

The same thoughts I expressed earlier in this thread. Fans, get it out of your head that Mr. Angelos is going to approve an A-Roid type contract for any baseball player. They tried that once with Albert Belle and it came back to "bite them on the butt". I'm not saying Angelos is a bad owner, just that he has learned from past experience. If Manny continues his solid season without any health issues I could see the O's offering him a contract extension similar to what they offered Adam Jones a few years ago (6years-88.5 million). With 2 rebuilt knees I think Manny would be foolish not to accept such an offer. JMHO.

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The smart guy who knows everything. He said that Manny is a lot closer in value to Kyle Seeger than he is to Trout. post #99 http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php/148727-Our-pending-free-agents/page7

Why take a personal shot at him?

I'd say Manny is about halfway between the two. The max salary I proposed ($25 mm) is 40% of the way between Seager ($19 mm) and Trout ($34 mm).

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The same thoughts I expressed earlier in this thread. Fans, get it out of your head that Mr. Angelos is going to approve an A-Roid type contract for any baseball player. They tried that once with Albert Belle and it came back to "bite them on the butt". I'm not saying Angelos is a bad owner, just that he has learned from past experience. If Manny continues his solid season without any health issues I could see the O's offering him a contract extension similar to what they offered Adam Jones a few years ago (6years-88.5 million). With 2 rebuilt knees I think Manny would be foolish not to accept such an offer. JMHO.

This is the same owner, that would never go more than 4 years and more than 10 million a year for starting pitching.

That went out the window, when Ubaldo was signed.

So dont say never.

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If Manny continues his solid season without any health issues I could see the O's offering him a contract extension similar to what they offered Adam Jones a few years ago (6years-88.5 million). With 2 rebuilt knees I think Manny would be foolish not to accept such an offer. JMHO.

There really is little comparison between Manny now and Jones when he signed his extension. Manny is 22 years old, and already has compiled 14.2 rWAR. When Jones was 22, he had a cumulative 2.9 rWAR. When he signed his deal, Jones had started his age 26 season and had compiled 11.0 rWAR to that point (14.8 by the end of that season). Jones even now has never exceeded 4.8 rWAR in a season; Manny was worth 6.7 rWAR in 2013 as a 20-year old, and is on pace for an 8.5 rWAR season now as a 22-year old. I like Jones, and I feel his deal has turned out to be a bargain, but we are never going to sign Manny to a deal like that.

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There really is little comparison between Manny now and Jones when he signed his extension. Manny is 22 years old, and already has compiled 14.2 rWAR. When Jones was 22, he had a cumulative 2.9 rWAR. When he signed his deal, Jones had started his age 26 season and had compiled 11.0 rWAR to that point (14.8 by the end of that season). Jones even now has never exceeded 4.8 rWAR in a season; Manny was worth 6.7 rWAR in 2013 as a 20-year old, and is on pace for an 8.5 rWAR season now as a 22-year old. I like Jones, and I feel his deal has turned out to be a bargain, but we are never going to sign Manny to a deal like that.

I completely agree, there is just no way around the fact that Manny will not get less than 100M and he most likely will get closer to 200M than he will to 100M pending his health.

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At some point you have to put your foot down and say this is a guy we will build around. I think Manny is that guy. He is an offensive weapon and his defense is elite. He has the type of game that will age well as he does not rely solely on speed or power.

His question marks are obviously his injury risk and management would have to make a decision on his long-term leadership potential, which none of us has the info to evaluate. So far the O's have shown a commitment to being picky about the players that they give long-term deals to, but they have generally chosen wisely. I think Manny should be the next guy.

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The same thoughts I expressed earlier in this thread. Fans, get it out of your head that Mr. Angelos is going to approve an A-Roid type contract for any baseball player. They tried that once with Albert Belle and it came back to "bite them on the butt". I'm not saying Angelos is a bad owner, just that he has learned from past experience. If Manny continues his solid season without any health issues I could see the O's offering him a contract extension similar to what they offered Adam Jones a few years ago (6years-88.5 million). With 2 rebuilt knees I think Manny would be foolish not to accept such an offer. JMHO.

Wasn't a lot of Belle's "lost contract value" off-set by insurance payouts?

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