Eduardo and the Afternoon Game

[weams]

Roch Kubatko

The Orioles will face Eduardo Rodriguez for the second time in his six major league starts, which again will have fans debating the wisdom of trading him last summer for left-hander Andrew Miller. And I'll refuse to join the fray today because I can't keep explaining the logic behind it and how life as a contender is different than life as a seller at the non-waiver deadline.

[Redskins Rick]

Roch Kubatko

Very nice quote by Roch and spot on, for sure.

[Phantom]

I hate this attitude. I think while we all agree that sometimes as a contender you have to sacrifice some future value for some present return, saying that there is no point in discussing whether giving up X was worth receiving Y is just pointlessly dismissive.

[Redskins Rick]

I hate this attitude. I think while we all agree that sometimes as a contender you have to sacrifice some future value for some present return, saying that there is no point in discussing whether giving up X was worth receiving Y is just pointlessly dismissive.

I am not sure, he meant, it's not worth discussing.

But, you have to admit, that sometimes people can go over the top or snarky when somebody disagrees with their opinion.

[Aglets]

I also think he means..........he's tired of discussing it week after week for the past 3 months or more. At some point there's not much more to say.

[Redskins Rick]

I also think he means..........he's tired of discussing it week after week for the past 3 months or more. At some point there's not much more to say.

and this too

[Frobby]

Not all contenders are the same. A rich team that is stacked with good prospects can afford to do things that a mid market team with a relatively thin system cannot. This should be obvious, without getting into the calculus of this particular trade.

[weams]

I also think he means..........he's tired of discussing it week after week for the past 3 months or more. At some point there's not much more to say.

Especially when it is simply a conduit for lobbing obstacles in the general direction of the front office. Discussion of past and future trades are ways worth of intelligent comment. General trash talk not so much.

[weams]

Not all contenders are the same. A rich team that is stacked with good prospects can do things that a mid market team with a relatively thin system cannot. This should be obvious, without getting into the calculus of this particular trade.

Right. Being a mid to small market team with little or nothing to dangle from an uninjured prospect perspective makes for a dull deadline.

[Can_of_corn]

Right. Being a mid to small market team with little or nothing to dangle from an uninjured prospect perspective makes for a dull deadline.

Maybe he will get another CBP to trade away? And there is always international pool slots.

[Punchandjudy]

I'm okay with the trade, have been, and always will be. You have to give up something to get something. While it hurts seeing him have success with a team in our division, I think him having success is not a bad thing for the Orioles. His success gives credibility that we have talent and are willing trade partners. As upset as any Oriole fan is now, there may come a day when Josh Hader presents the same feelings. No matter how bad Norris pitches this year, he did win 15 last year including a playoff game. You roll the dice and hope for the best. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes you push. Personally, I view these trades as wins for all parties involved.

[Redskins Rick]

I'm okay with the trade, have been, and always will be. You have to give up something to get something. While it hurts seeing him have success with a team in our division, I think him having success is not a bad thing for the Orioles. His success gives credibility that we have talent and are willing trade partners. As upset as any Oriole fan is now, there may come a day when Josh Hader presents the same feelings. No matter how bad Norris pitches this year, he did win 15 last year including a playoff game. You roll the dice and hope for the best. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes you push. Personally, I view these trades as wins for all parties involved.

Like Buck said, you have to give up something, to get something.

[MDK02]

I think we get 4+ runs off E rod today, just a gut feeling.

[Frobby]

Like Buck said, you have to give up something, to get something.

But when you give up 1000+ innings of a cost controlled good starting pitcher for 20 innings of a relief pitcher who will be gone when the season is over, that decision is highly questionable. "You have to give up something to get something" is far too simplistic an equation. We've beaten this to death in other threads, so I don't want to get back into a full blown debate about it here, but simplistic statements like the one Roch made in the OP and the one you quote from Buck are not very illuminating.

[Redskins Rick]

But when you give up 1000+ innings of a cost controlled good starting pitcher for 20 innings of a relief pitcher who will be gone when the season is over, that decision is highly questionable. "You have to give up something to get something" is far too simplistic an equation. We've beaten this to death in other threads, so I don't want to get back into a full blown debate about it here, but simplistic statements like the one Roch made in the OP and the one you quote from Buck are not very illuminating.

We gave up a mid range, AA pitcher that was struggling, but talented pitcher.

And it remains to be seen, if he will be around for 1000+ innings.

If he was still here, he would probably still be here in AA and several other arms in the food chain between him and here.

Sorry, but I would make that trade again, over and over.

And I am sure, you wouldn't.

We just have to agree to disagree.

But, Roch is right, and see his blog comments and twitter feeds makes OH seem tame, the way people are still debating this issue.