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Sure, they may take him but not for anything of value. No GM is going to trade a solid major league player for a guy who has had multiple major shoulder injuries and has barely been able to pitch the last 3 years.

You could get Scott Feldman for him.

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That is incorrect. The contract you are referring to runs from 2011-2015.

Not that paying him 1.245M is much different then paying 550K.

It's a major league contract. It cannot be cut more than 15% (IIRC). At one time the bonus was also included in figuring our the AAV that could be reduced. That led to an issue with Guthrie. If that is still true, his contact next season will be at least $1.6 million.

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Hah. Thanks for the laugh. Thome? By that logic Paredes was an overpay since we gave up money.

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Plenty of people considered the Thome trade a big overpay. The C, can't think of his name now(Rosa?), didn't amount to anything, but based in where he was at the time, and what we were getting, it's another example of DD getting the short end of the stick in a trade.

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Plenty of people considered the Thome trade a big overpay. The C, can't think of his name now(Rosa?), didn't amount to anything, but based in where he was at the time, and what we were getting, it's another example of DD getting the short end of the stick in a trade.

Gabriel Lino? Maybe, just maybe, the scouts told DD that he wasn't probably going to amount to much. Hence why they traded him for Thome. So according to you, he some how got the short end of the stick even though there years later we still got more value out of the trade. Got it.

Pretty hard to have a discussion with you If you are going to use a different definition of overpay compared to everyone else. Basically to you every trade has been an overpay, so can you name some that weren't?

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Gabriel Lino? Maybe, just maybe, the scouts told DD that he wasn't probably going to amount to much. Hence why they traded him for Thome. So according to you, he some how got the short end of the stick even though there years later we still got more value out of the trade. Got it.

Pretty hard to have a discussion with you If you are going to use a different definition of overpay compared to everyone else. Basically to you every trade has been an overpay, so can you name some that weren't?

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Huh? What value did we get? He was worth less than replacement level.

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Cough *Norris* cough.

Cough *Eveland* cough.

Cough *Feldman* cough.

Got something stuck in my throat.

I don't remember what we gave up for Eveland nor do I need to... we overpaid.

Feldman ended up being an overpay since Arrieta and Strop both ended up doing big things in Chicago. I'd really love to have Arrieta in the rotation these days. Then again, we had given him chance after chance. I don't think he blossoms the way he has without the change in scenery. But I didn't disagree with the trade at the time and again, I had given up on Arrieta and Strop was just a reliever.

But for how horrible Norris has been this year, he was pretty good last year and he was serviceable in 2013. The draft pick was the worst thing we lost. But Hoes has been playing mostly in AAA this year and doesn't project as anything better than a yo-yo (AAA - MLB) kind of guy for a bad team. Josh Hader is still an unknown (and was even more of a wild card in 2013).

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I don't remember what we gave up for Eveland nor do I need to... we overpaid.

Feldman ended up being an overpay since Arrieta and Strop both ended up doing big things in Chicago. I'd really love to have Arrieta in the rotation these days. Then again, we had given him chance after chance. I don't think he blossoms the way he has without the change in scenery. But I didn't disagree with the trade at the time and again, I had given up on Arrieta and Strop was just a reliever.

But for how horrible Norris has been this year, he was pretty good last year and he was serviceable in 2013. The draft pick was the worst thing we lost. But Hoes has been playing mostly in AAA this year and doesn't project as anything better than a yo-yo (AAA - MLB) kind of guy for a bad team. Josh Hader is still an unknown (and was even more of a wild card in 2013).

Serviceable in 2013?

He had an 86 ERA+ with the O's, 1.678 WHIP.

He was pretty bad in 2013.

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Gabriel Lino? Maybe, just maybe, the scouts told DD that he wasn't probably going to amount to much. Hence why they traded him for Thome. So according to you, he some how got the short end of the stick even though there years later we still got more value out of the trade. Got it.

Pretty hard to have a discussion with you If you are going to use a different definition of overpay compared to everyone else. Basically to you every trade has been an overpay, so can you name some that weren't?

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Lino and Simon were both very limited assets. Very.

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