Schmuck "Os primed for quiet trade deadline"

[HokieOs]

I would also look at what else we could've got for Delmonico in another trade. He seemed to have more perceived value at the time than KRod. Overpay, misallocation of resources, whatever you want to call it. It was not a good trade.

People seem to be mixing up the idea of overpaying vs simply losing a trade. For instance, we lost the Feldman for Arrieta/Strop trade badly, but given their values at the time, we didn't really overpay. I agree, we could have gotten more for Delmonico at the time than a rental reliever. And even if not, at the time, we should have just simply kept Delmonico rather than trading for the sake of trading.

[weams]

People seem to be mixing up the idea of overpaying vs simply losing a trade. For instance, we lost the Feldman for Arrieta/Strop trade badly, but given their values at the time, we didn't really overpay. I agree, we could have gotten more for Delmonico at the time than a rental reliever. And even if not, at the time, we should have just simply kept Delmonico rather than trading for the sake of trading.

The contender trading for a rental to put a team over the top in a single season always overpays. It's the advantage of being a loser with an asset. You get to win. Trades.

[tntoriole]

I think the Orioles will play it out with the current squad except for minor internal variations and try to win an admittedly weak AL East. But if they continue to lose badly over the next couple of weeks before the trade deadline, I would trade virtually every pending free agent we have to contenders in order to obtain prospects (if i believe the prospects to be better than the draft pick from the QOs) and certainly would use next year's draft even more for that purpose.

Chen, Davis, Wieters, O'Day would all bring useful prospects from contenders in a tight race. I would consider trading Hardy too if I could find the right need from a contender.

[waroriole]

The contender trading for a rental to put a team over the top in a single season always overpays. It's the advantage of being a loser with an asset. You get to win. Trades.

If you're gonna do that, you should make sure your manager is going to use him.

[HokieOs]

If you're gonna do that, you should make sure your manager is going to use him.

Exactly. We traded away a guy who had real potential to be a starter for years (and continues to look as though he is heading that direction) for a guy who gave us 24 innings. Granted, he pitched very well in those 24 innings, but E-Rod may pitch very well for a decade.

[tntoriole]

To all the Eduardo lovers out there: I will take beating the Tigers in the playoffs and having the best opportunity since 1997 to make it the World Series. I supported it then 1,000 percent and support it now and I don't care if Eduardo becomes the next Clayton Kershaw (which he won't), it was worth it to me as a fan. And I am sick of the (fill in the blank)-Rod naming convention...I am calling him Eduardo and I hope his career as a Red Suck is short and ugly.

[tntoriole]

Exactly. We traded away a guy who had real potential to be a starter for years (and continues to look as though he is heading that direction) for a guy who gave us 24 innings. Granted, he pitched very well in those 24 innings, but E-Rod may pitch very well for a decade.

So you must then be OK with losing to the Tigers last year and thus having had no realistic chance at all to make it to the World Series in 2014? You can't have it both ways.

[HokieOs]

To all the Eduardo lovers out there: I will take beating the Tigers in the playoffs and having the best opportunity since 1997 to make it the World Series. I supported it then 1,000 percent and support it now and I don't care if Eduardo becomes the next Clayton Kershaw (which he won't), it was worth it to me as a fan. And I am sick of the (fill in the blank)-Rod naming convention...I am calling him Eduardo and I hope his career as a Red Suck is short and ugly.

I understand the sentiment. But we swept Detroit. It's highly unlikely Detroit beats us in that series even without Miller. The series might have 3-1 instead of 3-0, but we still win and IMO, we're still just as much the contender.

[tntoriole]

I understand the sentiment. But we swept Detroit. It's highly unlikely Detroit beats us in that series even without Miller. The series might have 3-1 instead of 3-0, but we still win and IMO, we're still just as much the contender.

You conveniently omit the fact that Detroit would have had Miller. And that their absolutely dreadful relief pitching in that series is why we won it.

[weams]

If you're gonna do that, you should make sure your manager is going to use him.

Feldman was who his manager wanted.

[weams]

I understand the sentiment. But we swept Detroit. It's highly unlikely Detroit beats us in that series even without Miller. The series might have 3-1 instead of 3-0, but we still win and IMO, we're still just as much the contender.

Absolutely false. Miller would have won two games alone from that series.

[HokieOs]

You conveniently omit the fact that Detroit would have had Miller. And that their absolutely dreadful relief pitching in that series is why we won it.

But Miller alone wouldn't have solved their BP woes. They would have had one great BP arm and then.... well what they trotted out against us.

[weams]

But Miller alone wouldn't have solved their BP woes. They would have had one great BP arm and then.... well what they trotted out against us.

Only needed two good innings against us.

[tntoriole]

But Miller alone wouldn't have solved their BP woes. They would have had one great BP arm and then.... well what they trotted out against us.

You must have been watching a different series. Let's take a poll on this board as to who believes that we would have won the Series against Detroit last year with them having Andrew Miller and us having Eduardo in Bowie.

[HokieOs]

Only needed two good innings against us.

I'll admit that Game 2 would have been much different had Miller been pitching for the Tigers in that 8th inning instead of Joba.

That said, the Os were winning game 1 the entire time. The Os already had enough runs to win the game after Schezer went out. Without Miller, we still had a solid bulpen and it would be unfair to assume that we give up runs.

Everything else is an assumption. With our solid bullpen, we still would have had a very good shot. I understood at the time why we made the trade. But ultimately, we lost that trade BIG TIME.