Schmuck "Os primed for quiet trade deadline"

[AlbionHero]

It certainly would have helped the Tigers chances, but lets not go crazy here. We still likely would have won the series even if Miller was on the Tigers.

[Crazysilver03]

So you must then be OK with losing to the Tigers last year and thus having had no realistic chance at all to make it to the World Series in 2014? You can't have it both ways.

That's quite the assumption you are making. So losing ERod gave the Os no no chance at the WS this year?

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[PaulFolk]

I'll admit that Game 2 would have been much different had Miller been pitching for the Tigers in that 8th inning instead of Joba.

That said, the Os were winning game 1 the entire time. The Os already had enough runs to win the game after Schezer went out. Without Miller, we still had a solid bulpen and it would be unfair to assume that we give up runs.

Part of the reason the O's were winning game 1 the entire time is because of Miller. He came in in the 6th inning (in a one-run game at the time) and pitched 1.2 scoreless innings to bridge the gap to O'Day. It's certainly possible another reliever could've done the same, but you'd be relying on a less-reliable guy like Tommy Hunter. Also, if Miller were on the Tigers, the O's likely don't have their 8-run 8th inning that put the game out of reach.

Don't forget Game 3, either -- another 1.2 scoreless innings from Miller with the O's holding a 2-run lead. That one might not have been as important, since O'Day was still available, but it shouldn't be discounted.

[AdamK]

I think if we didn't deal Eduardo last season, he'd be dealt in this one.

[tntoriole]

It certainly would have helped the Tigers chances, but lets not go crazy here. We still likely would have won the series even if Miller was on the Tigers.

So, let's see. Could someone else not named Miller have bridged from Tillman in the fifth inning in a scoreless fashion for an inning 2/3 against Cabrera and the Tigers in Camden Yards? Brian Matusz, perhaps? Maybe, but I don't see it. And if Miller was pitching FOR the Tigers in that same game, is it likely that we would have scored eight runs off him in the eighth inning? You think that Delmon Young would have raked that pitch against Andrew Miller and that the Tigers would have blown a 3 run lead in the eighth of game 2 with Miller pitching? Maybe, but I don't see it. Maybe so, but, let's not minimize this, we got EXTREME value as deadline deals go from Andrew Miller. No one else on the 2014 squad could have possibly contributed more in those pressure situations.

[Orioles0615]

Those are debatable. The only clear overpay was for Miller.

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We also trade away international money too for no reason.

[tntoriole]

I'll admit that Game 2 would have been much different had Miller been pitching for the Tigers in that 8th inning instead of Joba.

That said, the Os were winning game 1 the entire time. The Os already had enough runs to win the game after Schezer went out. Without Miller, we still had a solid bulpen and it would be unfair to assume that we give up runs.

Everything else is an assumption. With our solid bullpen, we still would have had a very good shot. I understood at the time why we made the trade. But ultimately, we lost that trade BIG TIME.

You decry what you call "assumptions" and ignore that you too are making assumptions. Like the assumption that based on a few good games in the major leagues that Eduardo is going to become anything to speak of. You assume that Eduardo is going to become something (which I still say are odds against) and that we could have just done all that we did in 2014 without Andrew Miller. Like Tommy Hunter and Brian Matusz would have bridged that gap to Darren O'Day just fine. I mean Miggy Cabrera, Victor Martinez etc. have never had much success against those members of our "solid" bullpen before, so why in the world would DD and Buck think they needed more firepower to win the playoffs against them? A just as likely scenario as yours is that Tillman would have pitched five innings, Hunter comes in and boom, boom gives up two homers and Miller shuts us down in the eighth of game 1. I can see Delmon swinging in game 2 in my mind against Miller's vicious slider and it is not pretty. Nope, the better assumption is that we needed a shutdown set of relief pitchers not to win the division, but to win the World Series. Andrew Miller gave us the best shot we have had since 1997.

[Three Run Homer]

We also trade away international money too for no reason.

We trade away international slot bonus money because the organization has no intention of paying market value for quality international amateur players.

It's a stupid reason, but it's a reason!

[SteveO]

To me, standing pat is a mistake. To me if you do not feel you have the talent in your minor league system to acquire what you need to win a championship then you have to consider moving a key asset or two in order to improve that minor league system. Especially when you consider the number of impending free agents they have and their seeming unwillingness to bring in young international talent.

To me if your still scuffling at .500 a week before the deadline then they should at the very least consider trading Chen. I have to believe that you can get yourself a pretty decent little package in return for him. Honestly if that scenario came to pass (and I pray we get hot so it does not) then I think you would also be well served to shop either O'Day or Britton around. O'Day is of course in his walk year and Zach I love but have little confidence the O's will or should payout the very large amount it will take to keep him longterm. This deadline could be the zenith of the what you could get for him via trade.

I do not necessarily think that trading Chen is condemning the O's to a last place finish and horrible second half. Neither would trading one of Britton or O'Day. I will admit it would unlikely for the O's to win the division. I do think however it would greatly improve their odds of being more competitive moving forward in 2016, 2017 and beyond. Also if you trading pitching there is a chance you could get back something that could help you in other areas now as well.

Again all this is predicated on a scenario where the O's are scuffling as they are now just prior to the deadline.

[SteveO]

We trade away international slot bonus money because the organization has no intention of paying market value for quality international amateur players.

It's a stupid reason, but it's a reason!

It's a sad reason. Enough to make me cry.

I cannot for the life of me understand why this organization approaches the young international market the way it does. Even if you believe the system is flawed, imperfect and wrought with corruption its just utterly stupid to close your eyes and pretend like it does not exist. It would be like the US deciding to to not play the World Cup because that organization (FIFA) is wrought with corruption.

I cannot say if the policy originates with Peter......I have no clue but it has been a consistent factor regardless of who the GM is.

[tntoriole]

It's a sad reason. Enough to make me cry.

I cannot for the life of me understand why this organization approaches the young international market the way it does. Even if you believe the system is flawed, imperfect and wrought with corruption its just utterly stupid to close your eyes and pretend like it does not exist. It would be like the US deciding to to not play the World Cup because that organization (FIFA) is wrought with corruption.

I cannot say if the policy originates with Peter......I have no clue but it has been a consistent factor regardless of who the GM is.

Not signing Miguel Sano at 3.2 million will be the one choice we will regret for the next decade.

[weams]

I'll admit that Game 2 would have been much different had Miller been pitching for the Tigers in that 8th inning instead of Joba.

That said, the Os were winning game 1 the entire time. The Os already had enough runs to win the game after Schezer went out. Without Miller, we still had a solid bulpen and it would be unfair to assume that we give up runs.

Everything else is an assumption. With our solid bullpen, we still would have had a very good shot. I understood at the time why we made the trade. But ultimately, we lost that trade BIG TIME.

No we didn't. We got the droids we were looking for. We win the world series and you are never posting this.

[weams]

Not signing Miguel Sano at 3.2 million will be the one choice we will regret for the next decade.

And that was Dan Duquette?

[SteveO]

Not signing Miguel Sano at 3.2 million will be the one choice we will regret for the next decade.

No doubt. That kid is going to be very good.

Having a bat like his in addition to Manny and Schoop would have formed an incredible nucleus.

[weams]

It's a sad reason. Enough to make me cry.

I cannot for the life of me understand why this organization approaches the young international market the way it does. Even if you believe the system is flawed, imperfect and wrought with corruption its just utterly stupid to close your eyes and pretend like it does not exist. It would be like the US deciding to to not play the World Cup because that organization (FIFA) is wrought with corruption.

I cannot say if the policy originates with Peter......I have no clue but it has been a consistent factor regardless of who the GM is.

Andy MacPhail told the Angelos family that the stupidest use of their money was to give any of it to 16 year olds (that might be 20) PED users from the Dominican Republic. And they believed him.