Manny Should Be Batting 3rd

[Outlander]

People get so hung up on Manny being able to drive in runs in another position in the lineup. Look at it like this, for manny to be able to drive in runs, he needs his teammates to get hits and get on base. When Manny bats lead off, to be driven in, he needs his teammates to get hits, and get on base. Either way, for this lineup to be good, other people need to contribute. No matter where he is hitting. So we might as well have our best hitter batting first, where he belongs.

[DrungoHazewood]

People get so hung up on Manny being able to drive in runs in another position in the lineup. Look at it like this, for manny to be able to drive in runs, he needs his teammates to get hits and get on base. When Manny bats lead off, to be driven in, he needs his teammates to get hits, and get on base. Either way, for this lineup to be good, other people need to contribute. No matter where he is hitting. So we might as well have our best hitter batting first, where he belongs.

If your best hitter is getting the most plate appearances you're probably doing okay filling out the lineup card.

[Old#5fan]

People get so hung up on Manny being able to drive in runs in another position in the lineup. Look at it like this, for manny to be able to drive in runs, he needs his teammates to get hits and get on base. When Manny bats lead off, to be driven in, he needs his teammates to get hits, and get on base. Either way, for this lineup to be good, other people need to contribute. No matter where he is hitting. So we might as well have our best hitter batting first, where he belongs.

Yeah but any homer he hits his first ab is a solo and he has too many solo shots now.

[CA-ORIOLE]

People get so hung up on Manny being able to drive in runs in another position in the lineup. Look at it like this, for manny to be able to drive in runs, he needs his teammates to get hits and get on base. When Manny bats lead off, to be driven in, he needs his teammates to get hits, and get on base. Either way, for this lineup to be good, other people need to contribute. No matter where he is hitting. So we might as well have our best hitter batting first, where he belongs.

Exactly. Plus he is thriving hitting first. Just a huge non issue here.

[Outlander]

Yeah but any homer he hits his first ab is a solo and he has too many solo shots now.

Youre right. He should be more like our current number three hitter Adam jones. He has 11 solo homeruns out of 14.... Batting mostly third. Weird.

[Old#5fan]

Youre right. He should be more like our current number three hitter Adam jones. He has 11 solo homeruns out of 14.... Batting mostly third. Weird.

Yeah but part of the reason for that is Manny may have already homered or doubled and Paredes drove him in!

[Outlander]

Yeah but part of the reason for that is Manny may have already homered or doubled and Paredes drove him in!

Ok, soo, where do I start. By that logic, wouldn't parades be on base for jones homer? So it wouldn't be a solo. Second, if manny is getting driven in by Jimmy, isn't that what we want? Our lead off guy to get on as much as possible in case someone else gets a hit? Third, if we are going to concede that both Jones and Manny hit homers in the same inning, which rarely happens, isn't someone going to have to hit there's wither the bases empty? If jones bats second, hits a homer, then manny third, and he hits one, it would still be a solo homer. If manny is third, and jones is four, Jones would still be a solo homer. Look, of course we'd rather all home runs be grand slams, but the fact is, it's not going to be the case. This team is going to hit a lot of solo homeruns no matter where anyone is hitting. Manny batting lead off gives him the chance to hit the most homeruns. It also gives our best obp guy a chance to be on base. The more he is on base, the more likely we are yo score runs. Our best chance for less solo homeruns, is to get manny on base as often as possible. But finally, at the end of the day, we are just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. It makes almost no difference where we bat players. Our worst possible lineup order ( which we can agree is not how it's constructed now) vs the best possible order ( which may not be our current lineup) is only a difference of maybe 15 runs over a season. That's nothing. And that's best vs worst which we are not dealing with.

[DrungoHazewood]

Yeah but part of the reason for that is Manny may have already homered or doubled and Paredes drove him in!

The real solution is to have Manny hit for a lot less power, and then put Lough batting second and constantly sacrificing. It's not about the Orioles scoring the most runs, it's all about maximizing the RBIs for the #3 hitter.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Ok, soo, where do I start. By that logic, wouldn't parades be on base for jones homer? So it wouldn't be a solo. Second, if manny is getting driven in by Jimmy, isn't that what we want? Our lead off guy to get on as much as possible in case someone else gets a hit? Third, if we are going to concede that both Jones and Manny hit homers in the same inning, which rarely happens, isn't someone going to have to hit there's wither the bases empty? If jones bats second, hits a homer, then manny third, and he hits one, it would still be a solo homer. If manny is third, and jones is four, Jones would still be a solo homer. Look, of course we'd rather all home runs be grand slams, but the fact is, it's not going to be the case. This team is going to hit a lot of solo homeruns no matter where anyone is hitting. Manny batting lead off gives him the chance to hit the most homeruns. It also gives our best obp guy a chance to be on base. The more he is on base, the more likely we are yo score runs. Our best chance for less solo homeruns, is to get manny on base as often as possible. But finally, at the end of the day, we are just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. It makes almost no difference where we bat players. Our worst possible lineup order ( which we can agree is not how it's constructed now) vs the best possible order ( which may not be our current lineup) is only a difference of maybe 15 runs over a season. That's nothing. And that's best vs worst which we are not dealing with.

You should post more often.

[CA-ORIOLE]

The real solution is to have Manny hit for a lot less power, and then put Lough batting second and constantly sacrificing. It's not about the Orioles scoring the most runs, it's all about maximizing the RBIs for the #3 hitter.

Makes sense. Plus if Manny hit less homers he could steal more bases and we could create more runs.

[Outlander]

You should post more often.

Haha, thanks. Usually someone already makes the point I want to make so I lurk a lot.

[mrpennybags]

Where should we bat Manny? Wherever he wants.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Where should we bat Manny? Wherever he wants.

As long as it's positions 1-5.

[Old#5fan]

Ok, soo, where do I start. By that logic, wouldn't parades be on base for jones homer? So it wouldn't be a solo. Second, if manny is getting driven in by Jimmy, isn't that what we want? Our lead off guy to get on as much as possible in case someone else gets a hit? Third, if we are going to concede that both Jones and Manny hit homers in the same inning, which rarely happens, isn't someone going to have to hit there's wither the bases empty? If jones bats second, hits a homer, then manny third, and he hits one, it would still be a solo homer. If manny is third, and jones is four, Jones would still be a solo homer. Look, of course we'd rather all home runs be grand slams, but the fact is, it's not going to be the case. This team is going to hit a lot of solo homeruns no matter where anyone is hitting. Manny batting lead off gives him the chance to hit the most homeruns. It also gives our best obp guy a chance to be on base. The more he is on base, the more likely we are yo score runs. Our best chance for less solo homeruns, is to get manny on base as often as possible. But finally, at the end of the day, we are just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. It makes almost no difference where we bat players. Our worst possible lineup order ( which we can agree is not how it's constructed now) vs the best possible order ( which may not be our current lineup) is only a difference of maybe 15 runs over a season. That's nothing. And that's best vs worst which we are not dealing with.

No actually our best chance for fewer solo home runs would be to have s high obp leadoff hitter who doesnt homer much like Markakis and not some big home run hitter like Manny. I mean common sense and stats prove no leadoff hitter no matter how good will ever be leading the league or even his team in rbis as he doesnt get the opportunities. So why would you want your best potential rbi man getting the fewest opportunities?

[Old#5fan]

Makes sense. Plus if Manny hit less homers he could steal more bases and we could create more runs.

T hat makes as much sense as batting him leadoff where he needs the 6,7,8, or 9 hitters to get on most of the time to get an rbi chance and / or to have a multi rbi home run.