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One and done for Coolbaugh?

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SteveO Hangout Grand Counsel

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Anyone else just see the bit about the Rays on MLB channel?

Seems they are being more aggressive early in the count the last couple of months.

Their PPA has gone down by .2.

And they are even scoring more runs.

Crazy right?

Go figure. Who would have guessed that taking your hacks when you can during a period in which the strike zone seems bigger would make more sense than waiting to see if the pitcher can successful manage to miss that bigger zone

Mind boggling :)

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Approach is not really even something that needs changed. Or is even really much of anything other than a talking point. There have been many HOFs that were "see ball, hit ball." Small ball and run manufacture are not ever going to be traits of a team based in Camden Yards.

True on all of this. But it would still be nice if we could at least play small ball when we needed to... A couple guys who can bunt, couple of guyst who can dependably swipe a bag, and a couple of good contact guys... Seems that combination always seems missing on recent teams...

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JJ Hardy having the worst offensive season I've ever seen on the Orioles is a big factor.

When did you start? By most measures Cesar Izturis' 2010 was worse than JJ's 2015, and Julio Lugo was about as bad that same year. Willie Miranda's 1957 is probably the worst offensive season in team history, min 250 PAs. He hit .194/.249/.204. Both Billy Ripken's 1988 and 1991 seasons were worse than Hardy's. As were Belanger's '72 and '80, and Brooks' 1975. If you lower the qualification threshold to 100 PAs both Jackie Gutierrez in '86 and Freddy Bynum in '08 had wRC+ marks of 12, compared to Hardy's 51.

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Didn't watch the team in 2010?
When did you start? By most measures Cesar Izturis' 2010 was worse than JJ's 2015, and Julio Lugo was about as bad that same year. Willie Miranda's 1957 is probably the worst offensive season in team history, min 250 PAs. He hit .194/.249/.204. Both Billy Ripken's 1988 and 1991 seasons were worse than Hardy's. As were Belanger's '72 and '80, and Brooks' 1975. If you lower the qualification threshold to 100 PAs both Jackie Gutierrez in '86 and Freddy Bynum in '08 had wRC+ marks of 12, compared to Hardy's 51.

I like how different our responses are to the same piece of nonsense.

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It's lack of talent more than anything. Machado has turned into a superstar. Davis has had a bounce back year. Schoop has had a break out year. Joseph has shown he's a regular catcher. Jones is just doing his thing. Can you really blame Coolbaugh for the rest? JJ has a bad back. MW has no bat speed. The guy isn't a magician.

I agree with that - talent is usually going to be the bottom line - though the exceptions are fun.

Going back to the hitting vs pitching debate as to which needs to be improved more... Does it really matter as long as you improve the team?

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I agree with that - talent is usually going to be the bottom line - though the exceptions are fun.

Going back to the hitting vs pitching debate as to which needs to be improved more... Does it really matter as long as you improve the team?

Yeah, the hitting is always fine. Improve the pitching. Improve it.

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Approach is not really even something that needs changed. Or is even really much of anything other than a talking point. There have been many HOFs that were "see ball, hit ball." Small ball and run manufacture are not ever going to be traits of a team based in Camden Yards.

There is no inconsistency between being a patient team and being a team that hits a lot of homers. This team gives away way too many at bats. But I'm not blaming Coolbaugh for that. It's the nature of their personnel.

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There is no inconsistency between being a patient team and being a team that hits a lot of homers. This team gives away way too many at bats. But I'm not blaming Coolbaugh for that. It's the nature of their personnel.

You need to ambush fastballs to hit a lot of homers. Unless you are Cal Ripken.

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