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[OsEatAlEast]

Well all I'm really getting at with the enrollment issue. Is that Maryland should at least not be a punching bag.

[Reboulet'sStache]

Well all I'm really getting at with the enrollment issue. Is that Maryland should at least not be a punching bag.

Right, I think they should probably be West Virginia. I think that is what fans should expect and demand. I don't think that should be the expectation at the USC's or Miami.

[Can_of_corn]

Most (major) schools have off campus enrollment as far as I know.

Was only three maybe four schools on base in Germany offering classes.

My point was enrollment numbers can be skewed by a number of factors.

Was I counting toward their numbers while I was taking an Anthropology class in Giebelstadt?

[ArtVanDelay]

It's also a "college town." When I visited College Park my reaction was' date=' "Yeah, I'll go to school here, but I think I'll commute." It's a one bar town in PG County. It's also not a commuter state. Kids have no desire to play football at MD because their didn't grow up on it. Their parents attended schools from out of state, and so their house was a "Bulldog" house or whatever. Georgia actually has the same problem recruiting the Atlanta area. There's more Tenn. Volunteer alums in the Atlanta area than there are Bulldog alums. With MD the entire state is a lot like that.[/quote']

So recruits only want to go to school where their parents went? I only know a few people who go to the same school that their parents went. And what percentage of football recruits even have parents that went to college? And more specifically, a college with a D1 football program? I don't think any of these factors are as important as you think they are.

[OsEatAlEast]

Was only three maybe four schools on base in Germany offering classes.

My point was enrollment numbers can be skewed by a number of factors.

Was I counting toward their numbers while I was taking an Anthropology class in Giebelstadt?

You know I wouldn't doubt it. A good many of the schools on that list get a bulk of their numbers from off campus enrollment. Especially the community colleges.

I'm not sure what percentage Maryland gets off campus to be honest.

[Reboulet'sStache]

So recruits only want to go to school where their parents went? I only know a few people who go to the same school that their parents went. And what percentage of football recruits even have parents that went to college? And more specifically, a college with a D1 football program? I don't think any of these factors are as important as you think they are.

Yep, that's exactly what I said. Recruits ONLY want to go to school where their parents went.

And of course they are important. To argue otherwise is to not have ever followed recruiting.

[Redskins Rick]

ftfy..

True, that they do, like Kentucky.

Alumni with deep pocket and a total indifference to the NCAA rule book.

[Redskins Rick]

I like what John Thompson Sr said one day on ESPN 980 after he retired from coaching.

Some head coaches follow the NCAA to the best of their ability, and some bury their head in the sand and ignore what's going on.

You take a basketball team, where the kids are all out of the projects, and yet, they are driving nicer wheels, then the head coach is, at a 7 figure salary, you mean, you dont know that something is going on.

[ArtVanDelay]

Yep' date=' that's exactly what I said. Recruits ONLY want to go to school where their parents went.

And of course they are important. [b']To argue otherwise is to not have ever followed recruiting.[/b]

Seriously? This is your argument?

Think about it. What percentage of recruits have parents that went to big time college football programs, and of those, how many are automatically going to choose the school that their parents went to? For every 100 recruits, I can't imagine there would be more than 2 or 3 players that just automatically go to their parents school. And even that seems high. So you're saying MD is automatically out of the running for 2-3% of recruits? Big deal. What about the players who just go to MD because their parents went there?

I think this is almost completely irrelevant.

[Reboulet'sStache]

Seriously? This is your argument?

No, I said kids don't grow up in Maryland households because you have a large % of the population that moved from other states. Took their fan base with them. I gave an example of college their parents attended, but it applies to the Phyllis from Bama type households as well. Obviously the entire state of North Carolina didn't actually attend Chapel Hill. But it is largely a UNC stronghold, not really a Duke feeder. In basketball, most big time instate kids have traditionally gone to UNC. Because they grow up in UNC households. UNC feeder schools. UNC counties. Where everybody has roots to UNC fandom. Their parents watched Worthy steal the pass against Georgetown. It gets passed on. They name their kids "Dean." That is what exists in states that have a strong college football or basketball following. You don't have that here in Maryland. There are several reasons for that. One is the high degree of transplants. MD is a very unique state in that regard. So people who say, "Penn State can do it, why can't Maryland," don't understand that there are probably as many Penn State families (alumni or households that grew up watching JoePa and brought that fandom to Maryland) as their are Maryland Terp football households in the state.

[Can_of_corn]

No' date=' I said kids don't grow up in Maryland households because you have a large % of the population that moved from other states. Took their fan base with them. I gave an example of college their parents attended, but it applies to the Phyllis from Bama type households as well. Obviously the entire state of North Carolina didn't actually attend Chapel Hill. But it is largely a UNC stronghold, not really a Duke feeder. In basketball, most big time instate kids have traditionally gone to UNC. Because they grow up in UNC households. UNC feeder schools. UNC counties. Wherever everybody has roots to UNC fandom. Their parents watched Worthy steal the pass against Georgetown. It gets passed on. They name their kids "Dean." That is what exists in states that have a strong college football or basketball following. You don't have that here in Maryland. There are several reasons for that. One is the high degree of transplants. MD is a very unique state in that regard. So people who say, "Penn State can do it, why can't Maryland," don't understand that there are probably as many Penn State families (alumni or households that grew up watching JoePa and brought that fandom to Maryland) as their are Maryland Terp football households in the state.[/quote']

That is a much bigger issue here in Florida.

[TakebackOPACY]

Well my two cents worth is this. You almost have to neglect your college football program with as big an enrollment as Maryland has. Even with the major online schools included Maryland was 18th in the country in enrollment in 2013. The problem isn't that nobody goes to Maryland.

Sourced from Wikipedia

U.S. Department of Education Fall 2013 Enrollment[2]

Ranking College Classification Location Enrollment

1 University of Phoenix Private Arizona 442,033

2 Ivy Tech Community College Public Indiana 175,313

3 Ashford University Private Iowa 169,843

4 American Public University System Private West Virginia 110,644

5 Miami Dade College Public Florida 100,855

6 Lone Star College System Public Texas 98,313

7 Liberty University Private Virginia 95,639

8 Houston Community College System Public Texas 93,625

9 Arizona State University Public Arizona 81,789

10 Kaplan University Private Iowa 77,566

11 Northern Virginia Community College Public Virginia 76,552

12 Walden University Private Minnesota 75,895

13 Tarrant County College District Public Texas 75,547

14 Grand Canyon University Private Arizona 71,712

15 Austin Community College District Public Texas 70,452

16 University of Central Florida Public Florida 69,086

17 Ohio State University Public Ohio 64,930

18 University of Maryland Public Maryland 64,737

19 University of Minnesota Public Minnesota 63,929

20 Broward College Public Florida 62,796

21 Florida International University Public Florida 60,592

22 Valencia College Public Florida 60,469

23 University of Florida Public Florida 56,683

24 East Los Angeles College Public California 56,395

25 College of Southern Nevada Public Nevada 56,364

26 Rio Salado College Public Arizona 56,031

27 Capella University Private Minnesota 56,009

28 Portland Community College Public Oregon 55,558

29 University of Texas at Austin Public Texas 55,469

30 Texas A&M University Public Texas 53,966

The point I'm getting at I guess. Is that with as many people going to Maryland. They should at least be able to field an average team in everything they do.

For what it's worth, these are numbers for the whole system. MD-College Park has about 27k undergrads and about 11k grad students. Penn State has about 39k undergrads and 6k grad students. While UM-College Park is a huge school, it is the smallest in the Big Ten East.

[Redskins Rick]

For what it's worth, these are numbers for the whole system. MD-College Park has about 27k undergrads and about 11k grad students. Penn State has about 39k undergrads and 6k grad students. While UM-College Park is a huge school, it is the smallest in the Big Ten East.

Look at the cost of education.

Last time I checked, Maryland was 2/3 cheaper (in-state) than Penn state was for their in-state students.

[TakebackOPACY]

Look at the cost of education.

Last time I checked, Maryland was 2/3 cheaper (in-state) than Penn state was for their in-state students.

I'm not sure where you're going with this since major Div I football schools have 85 full scholarships to give out. (I don't mean that as a positive or a negative of your statement; just don't know where you're going with it.)

Penn State is more expensive than MD for their respective in-state and less expensive for their respective out-of-state. The results for both schools are about 70% of their student body come from in-state.

Tuition, for what it's worth, can be misleading. For an extreme example, (that has nothing to do with major college sports), Washington College and Franklin & Marshall both have notoriously outrageously high tuition for no immediately identifiable reason. But most of their student bodies are not paying it; the schools have huge numbers of scholarship endowments. They consider the tuition to be just the sticker price. And they help to create a certain brand image with their high sticker price. (This has little to do with state schools MD-College Park and Penn State; just demonstrating that tuitions can be misleading.)

[Reboulet'sStache]

That is a much bigger issue here in Florida.

Not really. Florida is a college football state. You walk into a Tom Thumb in the Panhandle and you won't see NFL gear in the cheap trinket section of the store. It's all FSU, UF, and some Bama. There are plenty of feeder schools, counties, and geographical regions for the Florida schools. To the extent that certain kids leave the state, it's mostly due to the overwhelming number of major prospects in the state.

It's also not as important in that state for that very reason. Each Florida school could lose out on the 5 or so best players in the state (which they don't), and still field loaded teams. MD doesn't have that luxury. To the extent that people want to argue MD is a talented enough, it's still not talented enough to where MD can afford to lose many recruiting battles for in state kids. They need to clean up. And it's hard to clean up when you have no tradition of winning and no hometown pressure because you're not really a college football state anyway and you have a huge transplant community that couldn't care less whether you stay in state or go to Penn State.