Best AL Record Since Dan Duquette Arrived.

[osfan83]

I'll have some of whatever you are smoking. The Orioles will not resign Davis. He was frustrated during the season with the lack of talk. DD already said their priority is pitching.

Even then all you will see them go after is 2nd tier and AAAA reclamation projects.

Yea, I would bet against us resigning him.......but we don't know who will be replacing him. My point is nobody in 2011 thought Chris Davis would be the best power hitter in baseball. Texas would never have traded him for Koji had they known......We have a decent core....we need a few good signings this off season.....No reason we cant be playing post season baseball this time next year.

[Redskins Rick]

I'll have some of whatever you are smoking. The Orioles will not resign Davis. He was frustrated during the season with the lack of talk. DD already said their priority is pitching.

Even then all you will see them go after is 2nd tier and AAAA reclamation projects.

You have only used part of the quote:

"The free agents, we had a number of guys who had great years. Chris Davis had a great year, (Wei-Yin) Chen had a great year, Darren O'Day had a great year, and they're all free agents and we like those players on our team. Whether we can have them next year or not, we're going to try to sign them.

I know the odds are against it, but, there is a slim window of hope here.

[hoosiers]

You cant give up on the season when you are 1 game out of a playoff spot at the deadline. The goal EVERY year is the make the playoffs...if you are in striking distance in July/Aug you owe it to your fans to not "give up" on the year.

A couple thoughts to this:

- at the trade deadline, I did post that a GM can't give up on a team so close at the trade deadline. The one caveat to most of my posts then was not knowing how difficult the remaining schedule was. While watching a game after the trade deadline, one of the announcers said the Os played a .500 or better team in every remaining series except for Washington and Boston (two rivalries). Our GM should have known it was always going to be a VERY tough road to hoe even though we were close in the standings.

- I find it interesting that so many people defended the 2013 moves when the Os were farther out at the deadline and also had a difficult remaining schedule, but in 2015 most seemed resigned to missing the playoffs even though we were in a similar even closer position.

[JR Oriole]

Since the last game of the 2011 season, this has been overall a very enjoyable run. 2012 and 2014 were truly great seasons. Unfortunately, regular season wins lose their luster when other teams keep showing up in the World Series and winning them. The fact of the matter is that it has been 32 seasons since we last won a pennant. 24 other organizations have appeared in a World Series more recently than we have, and if the Cubs win the NLCS, make it 25. Getting to the ALCS is great, but it has been more than long enough and I desperately want that World Series championship. I am sick of other fans getting it while we don't. I would be fine with 60 wins a year for the next decade plus and an awful farm system if we had just won the World Series in 2012 or 2014. For just one season, to have that parade in Baltimore and to know that we were the last team standing means everything. Winning seasons are fun, but I want more. And I know I am not alone.

[TonySoprano]

2012-2015 American League

BAL	355	293	0.548NYY 	351	297	0.542LAA 	350	298	0.540OAK 	346	302	0.534DET 	345	302	0.533KCR 	342	306	0.528TBR 	339	310	0.522TEX 	339	310	0.522CLE 	326	321	0.504TOR 	323	325	0.498BOS 	315	333	0.486SEA 	309	339	0.477CHW 	297	351	0.458MIN 	285	363	0.440HOU 	207	279	0.426

There's a reason when they cite this statistic, the cite as best in the American League. Four National League teams have a better record from 2012-2015

STL 	375	273	0.579LAD 	364	284	0.562WSN	363	285	0.560PIT 	359	289	0.554SFG 	342	306	0.528ATL 	336	312	0.519CIN 	327	321	0.505NYM 	317	331	0.489MIL 	307	341	0.474ARI 	305	343	0.471SDP 	303	345	0.468CHC 	297	351	0.458PHI 	290	358	0.448MIA 	279	369	0.431COL 	272	376	0.420HOU 	55	107	0.340

[osfan83]

A couple thoughts to this:

- at the trade deadline, I did post that a GM can't give up on a team so close at the trade deadline. The one caveat to most of my posts then was not knowing how difficult the remaining schedule was. While watching a game after the trade deadline, one of the announcers said the Os played a .500 or better team in every remaining series except for Washington and Boston (two rivalries). Our GM should have known it was always going to be a VERY tough road to hoe even though we were close in the standings.

- I find it interesting that so many people defended the 2013 moves when the Os were farther out at the deadline and also had a difficult remaining schedule, but in 2015 most seemed resigned to missing the playoffs even though we were in a similar even closer position.

When 1 game out, I dont think you let "strength of schedule" decided is you are going to continue to compete. This team had the talent to win 10 more games than it did....they just didnt play to the talent level. In Fact, one 10 game stretch (1-9) did us in....win 5 of those games and the season looks much different.

[Going Underground]

2012-2015 American League

BAL	355	293	0.548NYY 	351	297	0.542LAA 	350	298	0.540OAK 	346	302	0.534DET 	345	302	0.533KCR 	342	306	0.528TBR 	339	310	0.522TEX 	339	310	0.522CLE 	326	321	0.504TOR 	323	325	0.498BOS 	315	333	0.486SEA 	309	339	0.477CHW 	297	351	0.458MIN 	285	363	0.440HOU 	207	279	0.426

There's a reason when they cite this statistic, the cite as best in the American League. Four National League teams have a better record from 2012-2015

STL 	375	273	0.579LAD 	364	284	0.562WSN	363	285	0.560PIT 	359	289	0.554SFG 	342	306	0.528ATL 	336	312	0.519CIN 	327	321	0.505NYM 	317	331	0.489MIL 	307	341	0.474ARI 	305	343	0.471SDP 	303	345	0.468CHC 	297	351	0.458PHI 	290	358	0.448MIA 	279	369	0.431COL 	272	376	0.420HOU 	55	107	0.340

I can see Houston,Minnesota and Toronto moving up over the next few years. I can see New York,Baltimore,Oakland and Detriot going slightly the other way. We shall see in the AL.

[DrungoHazewood]

2012-2015 American League

BAL    355    293    0.548NYY     351    297    0.542LAA     350    298    0.540OAK     346    302    0.534DET     345    302    0.533KCR     342    306    0.528TBR     339    310    0.522TEX     339    310    0.522CLE     326    321    0.504TOR     323    325    0.498BOS     315    333    0.486SEA     309    339    0.477CHW     297    351    0.458MIN     285    363    0.440HOU     207    279    0.426

There's a reason when they cite this statistic, the cite as best in the American League. Four National League teams have a better record from 2012-2015

STL     375    273    0.579LAD     364    284    0.562WSN    363    285    0.560PIT     359    289    0.554SFG     342    306    0.528ATL     336    312    0.519CIN     327    321    0.505NYM     317    331    0.489MIL     307    341    0.474ARI     305    343    0.471SDP     303    345    0.468CHC     297    351    0.458PHI     290    358    0.448MIA     279    369    0.431COL     272    376    0.420HOU     55    107    0.340

But you'd also need to factor in relative strength of league. You could reasonably add at least 0.025 to each AL team to put them on even footing and account for the AL's advantage in head-to-head play.

[Creamsicle]

You cant give up on the season when you are 1 game out of a playoff spot at the deadline. The goal EVERY year is the make the playoffs...if you are in striking distance in July/Aug you owe it to your fans to not "give up" on the year.

This made me think of 1996. And I became curious where we stood on 7/31/96. I looked it up - turns out we had the 7th-place winning percentage in the AL and were 10 games back for the division.

[OFFNY]

Just understand that this team was a 96 win team the year prior. They made it to the ALCS. Think the Royals would have considered an 81-81 season a success? This team was so close and had the chance to put together a serious contender and didn't. Instead they went into the season with a bunch of what ifs and most didn't pan out.

This is how we know the culture isn't to good when we start seeing seasons of .500 a good one. I don't fault the players one bit. They fought their tails off. But the front office wet the bed on a chance at winning the whole thing.

2015 was a bad season and far from a success. And we can thank our front office for that.

This is EXACTLY what I was referring to in my last post:

I know what he was implying, but he also said that "finishing .500 was not good enough" in his post, and I don't like those kinds of statements getting blended in to a larger claim to augment somebody's argument.

Also, he stated that a winning season without making the playoffs was a waste. The 2013 Orioles had a better record (85-77) than did the 2006 World Champion Cardinals, who were 83-78 with one rain-out that season. The 2012 Tampa Bay Rays went 90-72 in 2012, but did not make the postseason because they played in an extremely competitive division (and league) that year. I don't consider the 2013 Orioles' 85-77 season a waste, and I certainly don't consider the 2012 Tampa Bay Rays' 90-72 season a waste because of the fact that neither of them qualified for the postseason.

I take issue with sweeping generalizations when I feel that they don't contain at least a modicum of objectivity, which I don't think that his assertion(s) had.

I never said that the Orioles' 2015 .500 season was a good one, and nobody else in this thread asserted that the Orioles' 2015 .500 season was a good one.

Yet, this poster continues to blend in this erroneous assertion to augment his argument.

In fact, I made it clear that not only did I consider the Orioles to be 3-0-1 over the past 4 years and not 4-0, I specifically stated that I only saw it that way because of the historical context ........ that when the Orioles were a perennial powerhouse back in the late 70's and early 80's, I did not consider the Orioles having winning seasons to necessarily be a success, being that the bar (at that time) was much higher than it has been over the last 2 decades.

And I say this while taking into consideration what happened with the Orioles immediately prior to 2012.

For example, back in 1981 I didn't view the Orioles as having been 4-0 since 1978 because of the fact that they had achieved all winning seasons in that time frame (1978-1981.)

I'm sorry if this sounds like a rant, but when someone is disingenuous (and especially when they continue to be disingenuous after it is pointed out to them), it really annoys me.

[Bmorebirds24]

This is EXACTLY what I was referring to in my last post:

I never said that the Orioles' 2015 .500 season was a good one, and nobody else in this thread asserted that the Orioles' 2015 .500 season was a good one.

Yet, this poster continues to blend in this erroneous assertion to augment his argument.

In fact, I made it clear that not only did I consider the Orioles to be 3-0-1 over the past 4 years and not 4-0, I specifically stated that I only saw it that way because of the historical context ........ that when the Orioles were a perennial powerhouse back in the late 70's and early 80's, I did not consider the Orioles having winning seasons to necessarily be a success, being that the bar (at that time) was much higher than it has been over the last 2 decades.

I'm sorry if this sounds like a rant, but when someone is disingenuous (and especially when they continue to be disingenuous after it is pointed out to them), it really annoys me.

Feel better? 85 win season and no playoffs is considered a win for you. Cool. Not to me.

Playoffs or bust here.

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[OFFNY]

Feel better?

85 win season and no playoffs is considered a win for you. Cool. Not to me.

Playoffs or bust here.

Then say THAT, and stop lying and asserting that anyone here said that a .500 season was a good one.

You can feel however you want about what the Orioles' successes and failures are. Some fans might even take it a step further than your "playoffs or bust" qualification, and consider anything but winning the World Series as a failure. That's fine, also. But if you out and out lie, you are going to get called on it.

[backwardsk]

Ricky Bobby: "Dad, you always told me if you're not first, you're last"

Reese Bobby: "I was high when I said that. 'If you're not first, you're last.' What does that even mean? You can be second. You could be third. Hell, you could be fifth."

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[Bmorebirds24]

Then say THAT, and stop lying and asserting that anyone here said that a .500 season was a good one.

You can feel however you want about what the Orioles' successes and failures are. Some fans might even take it a step further than your "playoffs or bust" qualification, and consider anything but winning the World Series as a failure. That's fine, also. But if you out and out lie, you are going to get called on it.

Ticky tacky much?

I don't know how I just flat out lied as you're putting it. But whatever if whining feels better go for it.

You're acting if I'm coming on here to make something up to make you look bad. Decaf man. It's not that serious. The 70's and 80's I can't remember I was brought to the earth til 83 so what was going on then I'm not able to speak on it first hand.

I do remember 96' 97' 12' and 14' and I can't remember baseball seasons better then those 4 ever. So FOR ME it's playoffs or bust. Don't like it? Ignore me.

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[Redskins Rick]

Ricky Bobby: "Dad, you always told me if you're not first, you're last"

Reese Bobby: "I was high when I said that. 'If you're not first, you're last.' What does that even mean? You can be second. You could be third. Hell, you could be fifth."

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