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I think the real question is whether to judge Tachsel on the last 5 years, or whether to put more emphasis on last year. He was hurt in 2005 and then came back at age 36 in 2006 and wasn't as effective as before. So 2002-05 may have very limited relevance. Or, on the other hand, it could be that last year was the first year back from surgery and Trax will revert to closer to his five-year norm now. I think we just have to wait it out.

Very astute Frobby.

"Trachsel isn't the pitcher he used to be" is the argument SG should've been going with all along. ;)

Very difficult to prove, mind you, but infinitely more compelling than his crystal ball theory.

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Very astute Frobby.

"Trachsel isn't the pitcher he used to be" is the argument SG should've been going with all along. ;)

Very difficult to prove, mind you, but infinitely more compelling than his crystal ball theory.

For everything i have said about Trax, i figured you knew age was an obvious part of the conversation...Sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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For everything i have said about Trax, i figured you knew age was an obvious part of the conversation...Sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Not because of age. Because of injury. See post #90 for my take on the age factor.

As Frobby pointed out, Trachsel's 2002-2004 numbers may not be relevant any longer, since he missed almost all of 2005 with an injury, then put up notably worse numbers in 2006.

Try and keep up here. ;)

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Not because of age. Because of injury. See post #90 for my take on the age factor.

As Frobby pointed out, Trachsel's 2002-2004 numbers may not be relevant any longer, since he missed almost all of 2005 with an injury, then put up notably worse numbers in 2006.

Try and keep up here. ;)

With his peripheral stats, even as poor as they were a few years ago before the injury, he is still in deep trouble in AL.

Then add in the back and his age and you have the makings for a much larger disaster than Benson.

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With his peripheral stats, even as poor as they were a few years ago before the injury, he is still in deep trouble in AL.

Then add in the back and his age and you have the makings for a much larger disaster than Benson.

To me, Trachsel already has proven, in his first two starts, that when he is on his game he is capable of pitching well against good-hitting AL teams. The question is simple: how often will he be on his game? He doesn't have a lot of margin of error, as his last start showed. He was sailing along but as soon as he started getting his pitches up even a little he couldn't get batters out.

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To me, Trachsel already has proven, in his first two starts, that when he is on his game he is capable of pitching well against good-hitting AL teams. The question is simple: how often will he be on his game? He doesn't have a lot of margin of error, as his last start showed. He was sailing along but as soon as he started getting his pitches up even a little he couldn't get batters out.

He looked like he was throwing batting practice fastballs right down the middle...It was ugly.

I am sure he will have his good games Frobby but i really don't get why you obsess so much in defending a guy who even you think will have an ERA close to 6.

And i would be willing to bet that you would have expected a healthy Benson to be better than a healthy Trachsel this year, in the AL, playing for us.

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I am sure he will have his good games Frobby but i really don't get why you obsess so much in defending a guy who even you think will have an ERA close to 6.

And i would be willing to bet that you would have expected a healthy Benson to be better than a healthy Trachsel this year, in the AL, playing for us.

Yes, I think Benson probably would have been better.

But I see a baseball season as a mystery that unfolds, with surprise twists and turns, rather than some rote play where you have seen it 100 times and already know every line. Some players will be better than I expected, while others will be worse. So I don't just make a predicition about a guy and assume I will be right on the money. Trachsel is a perfect example. I predicted himfor a 5.75 ERA, but anything between 4.75 and 6.75 would not really surprise me very much. And at 4.75 Trachsel would be a pretty useful pitcher. So I'm not "defending" him, I'm recognizing that he has some upside if things go well, and hoping that they do.

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I actually think our SP will be fine. Sammy obivously doesn't and that is the reason why we have extra arms in the pen. Bynum is up here because Payton got hurt. Once Hernandez and Payton come up, and our SP start getting into the 7th on a regular basis, Sammy will bring his pitching staff to 12 and bring up House and Knott. Got to run to class.

God I hope you're right!

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