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He can play against lefties in place of Gibbons or Huff in LF or DH when there is a lefty on the mound while Payton moves to center. He can pinch hit when the other team puts a lefty in the game. He can spell certain players...for instance maybe they can finally give Mora a day off, move Huff to third and then put Knott at 1b. I would much rather have that pinch hitter or starter vs. a lefty and than a damn no-hit defensive replacement and pinch runner. BTW, who is Bynum replacing for defense late in the games when Payton comes back?

There are plenty of ABs to go around.

Totally agree. Don't see how anyone can feel there isn't a place for Knott.

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It will definitely be Knott going down because he just wouldn't get in there much once Payton comes back. He can't come in for defense late in games or pinch-run like Bynum and it's going to be tough enough to get AB's for Gibbons and Millar let alone throwing Knott into the DH/LF mix. Just be glad the guy is only a phone call away if injuries strike again.

Winning against lefties is more important than any of this other stuff.

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Knott scored 2 runs and had an RBI vs. the DRays with a lefty on the mound. 2 runs proved to be a difference, so without Knott, we wouldn't have beaten Kazmir, a tough lefty. Bynum's only use to this team when Payton comes back is to PR and Gomez and Patterson (when he is on the bench) can handle those duties.

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It will definitely be Knott going down because he just wouldn't get in there much once Payton comes back. He can't come in for defense late in games or pinch-run like Bynum and it's going to be tough enough to get AB's for Gibbons and Millar let alone throwing Knott into the DH/LF mix. Just be glad the guy is only a phone call away if injuries strike again.

All you have to do is take a few PAs from Payton and there is plenty of time for everyone.

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At that pace... he'll be in Norfolk soon. Doug Mientkiewicz is getting more playing time than him, and the last 3 years, he's averaged 253/335/386/721.

Well Mientkiewicz must be batting with his glove. His line is .156/.250/.250/.406. .406? He's going after Williams..........uh, nevermind. ;)

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This is a serious question. Wasn't Knott thought to be an adequate 1b and OF? Adequate meaning won't kill you at either position but no better than average. If so I think Bynum has to be the guy to go. When Patterson and Payton are both in the game you do not need a defensive replacement and if either are sitting you have a much better option on the bench. I would think finding Knott 300+ ABs would be not difficult at all. If he continues to hit he will take a few ABs from Patterson/Gibbons/Huff/Gomez maybe even give Nick a day off against a tough lefty during the dog days. Heck he might even prove to be a good player.

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Rotoworld's take:

In his first start for the Orioles, Jon Knott went 2-for-3 with an RBI and a walk Wednesday in a 6-4 win over the Rays.

Knott could have made a difference in a game or two had the club been smart enough to carry him initially. He's 3-for-4 with a homer, four RBI and three runs scored in two games since being called up. The Orioles were likely going to send him back to Triple-A following Jay Payton's return on Friday, but he's made a strong case to be kept over Freddie Bynum.

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I think the biggest point is that when Payton comes back, there is no one that Bynum is going to need to come in for defensively. I certainly can understand them wanting a late replacement for Gibbons/Millar since they started the season out there, but with Payton getting the majority of time in LF soon, they won't be out there much anymore.

Also Bynum certainly isn't going to pinch hit for anyone unless Bako is in the game, and in that case Ramon will be on the bench and available to pinch hit. Also one of Millar/Payton/Gibbons will be on the bench so there will certainly be a defensive option in addition to Knott if he is on the bench.

Basically Bynum is going to be only used as a PR and as a defensive replacement if Millar/Gibbons/Huff are in LF, which shouldn't be too often.

Good chance Bymum doesn't clear waivers though if they try to get him through waivers. You have to figure an NL team will at least think about taking a flier on him. I wonder if the O's are seriously worried about losing him? That also could come into play here.

Heck he is a guy you would like to keep but by no means to you lose games to do it. Will he ever be a regular with the O's? not a chance. Does he have value? sure. He is a decent utility/speed guy. But if you lose him and a need develops just fall back to the Yan/fahey/Fio crowd and you have lost virtually nothing.

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I think the biggest point is that when Payton comes back, there is no one that Bynum is going to need to come in for defensively. I certainly can understand them wanting a late replacement for Gibbons/Millar since they started the season out there, but with Payton getting the majority of time in LF soon, they won't be out there much anymore.

Also Bynum certainly isn't going to pinch hit for anyone unless Bako is in the game, and in that case Ramon will be on the bench and available to pinch hit. Also one of Millar/Payton/Gibbons will be on the bench so there will certainly be a defensive option in addition to Knott if he is on the bench.

Basically Bynum is going to be only used as a PR and as a defensive replacement if Millar/Gibbons/Huff are in LF, which shouldn't be too often.

Good chance Bymum doesn't clear waivers though if they try to get him through waivers. You have to figure an NL team will at least think about taking a flier on him. I wonder if the O's are seriously worried about losing him? That also could come into play here.

If one of them are in LF, Payton or CPat would be available as a defensive replacement. All Bynum would really be useful for is pinch running. Now pinch running can come in handy, no doubt, but I'd rather have the bat considering the rest of our roster.

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