At What Point, Do You Hold DD Accountable, If Any?

[TINSTAAPP]

I have a bigger problem with DD trading away young prospects and refusing to sign top international prospects while spending millions on the likes of Suk-Min Yoon and Henry Urrutia as the farm system continues to rots away than the inactivity in the FA market. The contracts for all of the top free agents except Alex Gordon has been absolutely ridiculous and they don't have any good bargaining chips to make a trade for an impactful player. At the moment, I don't know what moves they can really make to help the team be markedly better next year.

[twinedenter]

The point is that they were FAR less risk than the ones Duquette signed. It showed from the results of our outfielders and those 2 players.

To me that's not hindsight, its common sense.

ok, then answer this question; Who is a better bet this season, Goldschmidt or Trumbo? Why Goldschmidt? According to your logic, it's hindsight for me to to say he will be good again, this year.

[twinedenter]

DD brought in Pearce in 2014 and nobody complained. Some people (myself included) wanted Aoki over De Aza but the difference between the two is pretty small. Pearce's regression was by far the bigger factor and its hard to fault DD for going with Pearce for another year.

It didn't help your correct. However, since Pearce WAS a risk, a good GM would have had plan in case Pearce fell on his face. Many O's fans, including myself, looking at Pearce's past seasons, doubted he could repeat.

I guess Duquette thought he had a diamond in the rough. Boy was he wrong.

[pastorfan]

DD has done the best job of any GM in my memory, under PA, wearing the PA straight jacket. I can't criticize any of them given that handicap. It would be interesting to see what DD would do were he not wearing that jacket.

Really? Granted he got Chen. But Cruz fell into his lap. Other than that he happened to walk into a situation where he reaped what Andy did before him, and Buck had this thing headed in the right direction. For the most part DD has misread the team and the market by trading away young arms. Of course maybe I am wrong. Maybe it was Dan's idea to use Britton as a closer. Maybe Manny would have never become a good player with DD's influence. Maybe Jones would have suddenly become terrible without DD. If this is the case then DD is the best GM in history.

[Redskins Rick]

I have a bigger problem with DD trading away young prospects and refusing to sign top international prospects while spending millions on the likes of Suk-Min Yoon and Henry Urrutia as the farm system continues to rots away than the inactivity in the FA market. The contracts for all of the top free agents except Alex Gordon has been absolutely ridiculous and they don't have any good bargaining chips to make a trade for an impactful player. At the moment, I don't know what moves they can really make to help the team be markedly better next year.

Sorry, but Urrutia was a cheap gamble, medium to high risk, but if it had paid out, then we would be saying how great DD was.

I dont remember Yoon costing that much, and he forfeited his last two years, when he went back to Asia.

[El Gordo]

I have a bigger problem with DD trading away young prospects and refusing to sign top international prospects while spending millions on the likes of Suk-Min Yoon and Henry Urrutia as the farm system continues to rots away than the inactivity in the FA market. The contracts for all of the top free agents except Alex Gordon has been absolutely ridiculous and they don't have any good bargaining chips to make a trade for an impactful player. At the moment, I don't know what moves they can really make to help the team be markedly better next year.

How much of this is the result of PA restrictions.

No big money Cuban players. No big international spending. No FA SP over 3 years. No big FA contracts. No opt outs etc. Every contract over 5 M has to be approved by ownership. PA's rules.

[twinedenter]

It is so 2016 when people freely post expectations of others that they wouldn't ever dream of holding themselves to, admit it, and have not a trace of embarrassment. With the posts in this thread you've crossed into "put onto automated ignore so I don't even have to waste my time" territory. Congrats. Not many reach this status.

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[twinedenter]

How much of this is the result of PA restrictions.

No big money Cuban players. No big international spending. No FA SP over 3 years. No big FA contracts. No opt outs etc. Every contract over 5 M has to be approved by ownership. PA's rules.

Talk about conjecture?

NO GM has ever said anything negative about Angelos. Is it true that he is far more involved then he should be, probably. But we don't know that.

This is just another excuse your giving Duquette, to squirm out of his incompetence.

[Redskins Rick]

I would put money on it being just as much Dan's doing as Angelos. He's so consumed by the need to appear like the smartest guy in the room when all he's doing is intentionally handicapping himself with antiquated methods.

It'd be like going to the Daytona 500 in 2016 with Richard Petty's car from 1979 and expecting to win with it because it worked back then.

So what he did in 2012, 2013 & 2014, was a fluke?

You do remember, they had the best w-L record in baseball for those 3 seasons.

[El Gordo]

Rode the coattails of his predecessor, for one.

If McP had stayed on how many winning seasons do you think we would have had. And remember he didn't want Buck. I think 2015 would have been the first non losing season of his tenure.

[Crazysilver03]

I'm sick of his smugness in interviews. He's so condescending and acts like he's better than everyone else. Like dude, you haven't don't any good transaction of note in over 15 years. You still try to build a team as if it's the 90's. I'm just sick of it.

Just like most people are tired of your wild hyperboles. Guess everyone has their vices.

[Frobby]

The point is that they were FAR less risk than the ones Duquette signed. It showed from the results of our outfielders and those 2 players.

To me that's not hindsight, its common sense.

You may have had the opinion that Aoki and Rasmus were far less risky than the guys DD signed, but I don't think it is that obvious. We ran a poll when we traded Snider and literally 95% of posters preferred that trade to signing Rasmus.

I've said this a few times, but will say it again: everybody knew that the outfielders we signed collectively would be a downgrade from Cruz and Markakis. But even so, they underperformed the realistic expectations for them. To a man, they hit worse that every single objective third-party projection. Adding insult to injury, de Aza did better the minute he left here, and Parra did much worse the minute he arrived. DD's plan did not work, but that doesn't mean it was an awful plan. He rolled snake eyes.

[Creamsicle]

...like going to the Daytona 500 in 2016 with Richard Petty's car from 1979 and expecting to win with it because it worked back then.

Exactly. When I think of all the technological advances that have completely reinvented market analysis and negotiation, I can't even imagine how anyone was able to do either of those things all those years ago.

[Crazysilver03]

Rode the coattails of his predecessor, for one.

Usually that phrase is used in regards to prior success. McPhail didn't have any in the win loss department.

[Crazysilver03]

Things probably would've worked out very similar to what actually happened. Except maybe we wouldn't have had a championship stolen from us....and our team would be so much better equipped for the future.

Probably not. Starting pitching would likely still be a major crux.