Mark Trumbo agrees to $9.15 million deal to avoid arbitration

[Babypowder]

http://www.fantasypros.com/mlb/draft/mark-trumbo-chris-carter.php

No one agrees with you.

Using fantasy baseball analysis in real baseball is not usually a sound strategy.

In fantasy baseball, most leagues don't penalize Mark Trumbo for lack of plate discipline but Carter will kill you with a low batting average. In real baseball, they have very similar offensive value.

[Crazysilver03]

Isnt Trumbo a bench bat at this point? I agree, all things equal you take Trumbo over Carter...but they arent equal, there is a decent sized salary difference

In what sense is Trumbo a bench bat? That's one of the more outlandish things stated lately.

[twinedenter]

Trumbo should be a solid addition IF expectation is set that he is not Davis. I hear many fans on the radio mentioning Trumbo and Davis together. Trumbo is not Davis.

He could be a great bargain, or released by July. I do believe 30 homers are possible.

[Number5]

Carter isn't 33, he is 11 months younger than Trumbo.

Carter is coming off a .3 fWAR -0.1 rWAR season and Trumbo is coming of a 1.1 fWAR 1.6 rWAR season. Trumbo has had three better seasons than Carter's best season. Carter's OPS is slightly higher but their OPS+ is identical because OPS+ accounts for ballparks and Carter has had the luxury of playing in Houston.

LOL. Thanks for the correction. When I went to check his age, accidentally clicked on the wrong Chris Carter. My bad. Having said that, I still have no interest in Chris Carter. Much prefer Trumbo and it is still not a close call. Trumbo has a solid chance to be worth the slightly more than 1 win the Orioles will pay him for. It would surprise me if Carter is worth the fraction of a win Pittsburgh will be paying him for.

[Babypowder]

In what sense is Trumbo a bench bat? That's one of the more outlandish things stated lately.

In the same sense that Carter is. Career wRC+ favors Carter 111 to 108. If Trumbo ends up the DH, Carter is easily the better value.

[ricowiz]

In what sense is Trumbo a bench bat? That's one of the more outlandish things stated lately.

Do you want your starting 1b or DH to put up a .750 OPS and a 0.8 WAR (a -1.1 WAR the year before)? That puts him about 15-17th in the rankings of 1b.....

[Crazysilver03]

Do you want your starting 1b or DH to put up a .750 OPS and a 0.8 WAR (a -1.1 WAR the year before)? That puts him about 15-17th in the rankings of 1b.....

Defense is the biggest thing that hurts him and playing the OF in Arizona killed his value.

[ricowiz]

Defense is the biggest thing that hurts him and playing the OF in Arizona killed his value.

I agree defense hurts him, but that kind of plays into my thought process. Do you want him as your every day DH? Even 1b? I dont think he puts up enough power numbers to warrant that. I would think a platoon of him and Pedro Alvarez could be effective, but then you are paying a lot of money for a DH/First basemen.

Let me add this caveat, I am talking about the team as currently constructed. If they add an Upton or Cespedes than I think you can live with a Trumbo in the lineup. But if you have a weak hitting OF to go with Trumbo then its not a good thing...

[Number5]

I agree defense hurts him, but that kind of plays into my thought process. Do you want him as your every day DH? Even 1b? I dont think he puts up enough power numbers to warrant that. I would think a platoon of him and Pedro Alvarez could be effective, but then you are paying a lot of money for a DH/First basemen.

To be clear, it was outfield defense that was the problem. Trumbo plays a decent 1B.

[ricowiz]

To be clear, it was outfield defense that was the problem. Trumbo plays a decent 1B.

I agree, he does play better 1b. I just expect more offense out of my 1b/DH

[waroriole]

Wow, 9.15M + Clevenger

and we could have had Carter who has almost identical stats for 3M straight up

even DD's little deals are bad

Not at all identical. Keep crying though. It's funny.

[Babypowder]

To be clear, it was outfield defense that was the problem. Trumbo plays a decent 1B.

But he's below average offensively at first, so there is a tradeoff.

[Redskins Rick]

I agree, he does play better 1b. I just expect more offense out of my 1b/DH

But he's below average offensively at first, so there is a tradeoff.

Not too many 1st that can hit 47 HRs and drive in 117 RBIs, so pretty much, anybody we put at 1st, which be a reduction in offense

[Babypowder]

Not too many 1st that can hit 47 HRs and drive in 117 RBIs, so pretty much, anybody we put at 1st, which be a reduction in offense

I wasn't comparing him to Chris Davis, and if I were I wouldn't use home runs and RBI. I'm comparing Mark Trumbo the outfielder to Mark Trumbo the first baseman. Yes, he will be more valuable defensively at first, but he will also be less valuable offensively. It is not a foregone conclusion changing positions will be a net positive.

As a DH, if my choices are Mark Trumbo for 9+ million or Chris Carter at 2.5 it's Carter by a pretty wide margin. I'll take the slightly better offensive player for a fraction of the cost.

[DrungoHazewood]

Wow, 9.15M + Clevenger

and we could have had Carter who has almost identical stats for 3M straight up

even DD's little deals are bad

Trumbo was more valuable in both 2012 and 2013 than Chris Carter has been in his entire 2001-PA career.