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weams Hangout Grand Counsel

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This is the sort of thing you keep Kim on the roster for. At the start of the year everyone should have wondered if Rickard was going to stay that good, and everyone should have been pretty sure Kim wasn't going to stay that bad. Kim has played well in his few opportunities and there's a spot on the team for both of them. But it's probably time for Kim to get a little more run at Rickard's expense. Doesn't have to be a total flip flop in playing time, but balance it out a little more. They both can help the club. I just think it's time that Kim gets more opportunity to do it. And I'd still probably have Rickard in the game late on a regular basis when you want the defense to hold on.

Since he is on the roster, I think it would be good to do this.

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As you know, just because they have defensive data, does not make it an excellent quantification. Especially the defensive data. The offensive is wired tight and some day the d will be too.

But we were discussing opinions formed by statistical data.

To my eye, Nolan has looked better out there.

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But we were discussing opinions formed by statistical data.

To my eye, Nolan has looked better out there.

Nolan had looked good to me. Kim has looked confused. He probably has a better feel for dome conditions.

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Rickard's numbers against LHPs are still pretty good. I am ready to start seeing Kim and/or Reimold against RHPs at least. A defensive OF with Kim and Trumbo every day is frightening, however.

Yea I think this is the dilemma. Either you play Kim with Trumbo or you take AB's from Alvarez. Buck's obviously still unwilling to do either with any regularity

That said, Buck is flexible. He'll go to plan B if/when he determines Plan A is no longer working. If things stay the same the rest of this homestand in terms of Rickard's performance (Alvarez has shown small signs of life), I think you might see more platooning.

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Yea I think this is the dilemma. Either you play Kim with Trumbo or you take AB's from Alvarez. Buck's obviously still unwilling to do either with any regularity

That said' date=' Buck is flexible. He'll go to plan B if/when [b']he[/b] determines Plan A is no longer working. If things stay the same the rest of this homestand in terms of Rickard's performance (Alvarez has shown small signs of life), I think you might see more platooning.

Alvarez has an OBP of .323

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If Drungo was in town, he would be the first to argue with you, that batting order position, doesn't really play into how well or not well you hit.

Maybe not with established major league hitters but I think Joey needs some pressure taken off him. And, I think he needs to play. The slump is inevitable, I would like the O's to show a little patience.

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Maybe not with established major league hitters but I think Joey needs some pressure taken off him. And, I think he needs to play. The slump is inevitable, I would like the O's to show a little patience.

Oh I think we will be seeing a LOT of patience where Rickard is concerned.

More than his resume would indicate.

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Why people that criticize sabermetrics are so dumb sometimes...

If you would actually look up the data, rather than assuming you know what it is, you would see that, by DRS Rickard is at 0 in CF. He is however, at -5 in left field.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=13277&position=OF

Please. Defensive metrics are historically the least valuable and most controversial of all sabermetric stats. Twenty five games of defensive metrics mean absolutely nothing.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64415132

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In Rickard's first 14 games, he had hits in 13 (including six multi-hit games) and was on base in all of them. In his last 11 (10 starts), he has gone hitless in five and failed to reach base in four, and has only one game in which he got on base more than once. He hit .350/.359/.483 in the first 14 games, .146/.205/.220 in the last 11.

I expect Buck to give Rickard a bit more time to work out of his cold spell, because this could just be a low point in the ups and downs of a season. But if he stays cold for another week, it will be increasingly hard to justify running him out there ever day.

Baseball is a game of constant adjustment. This is especially true for rookies. You have to give the kid time to adjust and grow and improve. I think he has shown enough that I would drop him to ninth and continue playing him every day. As for Kim, he's earned more time. You have two corner outfield slots and the dh to share between 4 guys. It's not rocket science, give them all time.

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Please. Defensive metrics are historically the least valuable and most controversial of all sabermetric stats. Twenty five games of defensive metrics mean absolutely nothing.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64415132

Please.

Did you read the post I was replying to?

Did you?

Go back and read it.

The size of the sample is irrelevant to the point I was making.

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Baseball is a game of constant adjustment. This is especially true for rookies. You have to give the kid time to adjust and grow and improve. I think he has show enough that I would drop him to ninth and continue playing him every day. As for Kim, he's earned more time. You have two corner outfield slots and the dh to share between 4 guys. It's not rocket science, give them all time.

It might not be rocket science but it is basic arithmetic.

Trumbo + Kim + Rickard + Reimold + Alvarez = five. :P

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Please.

Did you read the post I was replying to?

Did you?

Go back and read it.

The size of the sample is irrelevant to the point I was making.

You have an agenda to play Kim more and you are attempting to use defensive metric data to show why Rickard should be benched. Sample size matters for all statistic evaluation imo. And 25 games of defensive metrics don't matter to me in the least. You want to hang your hat on it, be my guest.

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You have an agenda to play Kim more and you are attempting to use defensive metric data to show why Rickard should be benched. Sample size matters for all statistic evaluation imo. And 25 games of defensive metrics don't matter to me in the least. You want to hang your hat on it, be my guest.

No!

Did you read the post I was replying to?

That post was claiming that Rickard's struggles in center field were skewing his defensive metrics.

That is what I was replying to.

That those metrics, at least DRS, had him better in CF and that his struggles have been in LF.

No agenda, me merely responding to a poster that hadn't bothered to do any research.

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No!

Did you read the post I was replying to?

That post was claiming that Rickard's struggles in center field were skewing his defensive metrics.

That is what I was replying to.

That those metrics, at least DRS, had him better in CF and that his struggles have been in LF.

No agenda, me merely responding to a poster that hadn't bothered to do any research.

Yes and I contend that none of it matters! twenty five games of a rookie! cmon man!

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