Loewen to DL, Torres Recalled

[PoorMike]

One thing a lot of folks are missing ... there is no way in the world that the Orioles PLAN to option Torres back to Norfolk in the next few days. A few days of his time is certainly not worth the cost of using a 40-man slot (these are valuable) and then spending an option (these are also valuable). Now it may turn out that they option him back, conceivably even within a short time-frame, if the entire set of circumstances at that point indicate that such a move would be best. But to think that this is their PLAN is just inconceivable.

I think you aren't looking at the big picture. He's like 25 and has 2 options left. He'll be up and down the rest of this year and next year. By then, they should have a pretty good read on what his worth is. Using an option for a week's worth of time is just the short term impact.

This is not like calling up Fio a few years ago. In fact, I think ET is older than Fio.

[El Gordo]

No attempt was made to make fun of anybody:) BTW, Scott Moore is hitting .156 at Norfolk and Cintron is hitting .227 They could have purchased the contract of Terrero, and that would have made sense if they did not have intentions of sending one of the middle IFers down, shortly.

No it wouldn't, he is out of options, once he's up he has to stay. So if you want to bring up Moore later you have to waive Terrero. Terrero is here in case we trade Payton.

[Mike B]

No it wouldn't, he is out of options, once he's up he has to stay. So if you want to bring up Moore later you have to waive Terrero. Terrero is here in case we trade Payton.

You are correct. Terrero would have to go through waivers. He would most likely clear but he did not last year.

[blueberryale77]

I think the decision has been made that either Luis or Brandon will be gone within the week. They just needed a couple of extra days to decide which one. That leads me to believe that they're leaning toward jettisoning LH because he would have to be DFA'd whereas Fahey could just be sent down. By the time Loewen's slot in the rotation comes around again I suspect at least two roster moves will have been made and the tale of the three no-hit shortstops will be nothing but a distant, scary memory.

[El Gordo]

I think the decision has been made that either Luis or Brandon will be gone within the week. They just needed a couple of extra days to decide which one. That leads me to believe that they're leaning toward jettisoning LH because he would have to be DFA'd whereas Fahey could just be sent down. By the time Loewen's slot in the rotation comes around again I suspect at least two roster moves will have been made and the tale of the three no-hit shortstops will be nothing but a distant, scary memory.

This would seem to me to be more reason to send down Fahey. Unless Torres can impress them that he should be the starting SS in 4 days. IMO either Torres or Fahey go down when the SP comes up Tuesday (most likely Fahey) and then one of LH or Torres goes when Bynum returns.

[blueberryale77]

This would seem to me to be more reason to send down Fahey. Unless Torres can impress them that he should be the starting SS in 4 days. IMO either Torres or Fahey go down when the SP comes up Tuesday (most likely Fahey) and then one of LH or Torres goes when Bynum returns.

What I meant was that it would be an easier decision to send down Fahey so if that was the way they were leaning they might have just done it already rather than have three non-hitting position players on the roster even for a few days. I've gotten the sense lately that they're really frustrated with Luis either for the much alluded to conditioning issue or for the quality of work he's put in with Samuel on his footwork and they may have given him some sort of ultimatum.

[Anonymous]

I think the decision has been made that either Luis or Brandon will be gone within the week. They just needed a couple of extra days to decide which one. That leads me to believe that they're leaning toward jettisoning LH because he would have to be DFA'd whereas Fahey could just be sent down. By the time Loewen's slot in the rotation comes around again I suspect at least two roster moves will have been made and the tale of the three no-hit shortstops will be nothing but a distant, scary memory.

Good analysis here -- except there's no reason why the two moves would necessarily BOTH occur by the time of Loewen's next scheduled start (Tuesday??).

Olson could be brought up to start that game. A decision on whether Moore goes beyond the 20-day limit for his option to "fully vest" would have to be made by Thursday. If Olson is brought up and stays (no certainty, as it could also be a single spot start), and if Moore is recalled on that date (again, far from a certainty, but a possibility), one would think that LH and Aquino, in either order, might be the two players most at risk.

[blueberryale77]

FWIW here's the Sun's explanation of why Torres was called up:

Trembley said he isn't sure how Torres will be used yet, but he was more ready for the call-up then Alex Cintron, who is still recovering from elbow surgery, and Scott Moore, whom the club wants to get regular at-bats. Torres could be in for a short stay in the majors if the Orioles call up a pitcher from Norfolk -- Garrett Olson would be the likely candidate -- to take Loewen's spot.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-loewen425,0,2604228.story

This begs the question: did Cintron have more elbow surgery in between spring training with the Cubs and being activated with Norfolk or are we still talking about the surgery he had before the 2007 season? I've suspected all along there were serious arm issues with him. I doubt he makes it to the majors with us unless we trade Roberts and need someone to play 2B on a semi-regular basis in the second half.

[PoorMike]

I think the decision has been made that either Luis or Brandon will be gone within the week. They just needed a couple of extra days to decide which one. That leads me to believe that they're leaning toward jettisoning LH because he would have to be DFA'd whereas Fahey could just be sent down. By the time Loewen's slot in the rotation comes around again I suspect at least two roster moves will have been made and the tale of the three no-hit shortstops will be nothing but a distant, scary memory.

I think Torres is up here until Monday and then we'll get a starter (or at least another pitcher). Before I said that could change if Torres sets the world on fire, but realistically, he won't even get that many chances to get in the game over the next 3 days.

[blueberryale77]

I think Torres is up here until Monday and then we'll get a starter (or at least another pitcher). Before I said that could change if Torres sets the world on fire, but realistically, he won't even get that many chances to get in the game over the next 3 days.

I think they are fed up enough with Hernandez and Fahey at this point that at least one of them will go before Torres. He and/or the other one of them will probably go when Bynum is activated.