"He embarrassed himself" - O'Day rips Wegner

[clapdiddy]

Originally, I felt bad for O'Day, but now I think he's got no one to blame but himself. Sure, it COULD have been called a swing. That still doesn't explain the two fat pitches he threw after the bad call.

[Ruzious]

O'Day definitely had a right to be angry, but his reaction was very disappointing - especially considering he's the leader of the bullpen. I hope that attitude doesn't spread to other members of the pen: once an ump screws up a call, it's okay to lose your composure.

[El Gordo]

O'Day definitely had a right to be angry, but his reaction was very disappointing - especially considering he's the leader of the bullpen. I hope that attitude doesn't spread to other members of the pen: once an ump screws up a call, it's okay to lose your composure.

It probably had more to do with this particular umpire who apparently has a reputation for being one of the worst at balls and strikes.

[brooks1083]

Of all the situations that baseball rules account for (glove laces on a tag play comes to mind), I can't believe baseball still doesn't have some formal rule for what constitutes a swing. For those advocating for "robo-umps", there is no rule logic to program into whatever system should be making the calls. The only "rule" currently in place is that it is a judgement call by the umpire.

As far as the game goes, sure, I think the umpire missed a call that there is a high likelihood that would have given us a W. I feel like DOD needs to dial it back a bit because I wouldn't call it "egregious" and he is the player rep for the union. Maybe it's just me, but I think whoever is in those positions should take extra precaution to maintain professionalism.

[El Gordo]

Of all the situations that baseball rules account for (glove laces on a tag play comes to mind), I can't believe baseball still doesn't have some formal rule for what constitutes a swing. For those advocating for "robo-umps", there is no rule logic to program into whatever system should be making the calls. The only "rule" currently in place is that it is a judgement call by the umpire.

As far as the game goes, sure, I think the umpire missed a call that there is a high likelihood that would have given us a W. I feel like DOD needs to dial it back a bit because I wouldn't call it "egregious" and he is the player rep for the union. Maybe it's just me, but I think whoever is in those positions should take extra precaution to maintain professionalism.

Maybe union's position is something needs to be done about lack of umpire accountability?

[brooks1083]

Maybe union's position is something needs to be done about lack of umpire accountability?

I agree that the umpires should have some accountability. They can spew those lines about already being held accountable but I don't hear much about any them being "reassigned". My feeling is that it should all be hashed out during the CBA or whatever the appropriate venue is for that type of negotiation.

[crissfan172]

I didn't see the game but after hearing all the talk about the check swing, I finally saw it, expecting to see something that resembled a full swing...

Wow

This is what is creating such an uproar?

Sometimes its embarrassing to be a Baltimore fan (Ravens too) with so much dramatic crying...

Being at the game, it looked pretty obvious that he swung.

Having seen the replay, though...he definitely swung, but it was close. Sometimes you get that call...sometimes you don't. Oh well.

[Reboulet'sStache]

The pay has nothing to do with it.

All of the players on the field get substantially different salaries than each other, and they should expect to get the same calls as one another.

And a player that makes more than an umpire has the right to expect a game to be called competently and professionally ...... not be judged (and/or made excuses for) on a sliding scale because of the fact that the umpires' salary is less than that of that the players that are playing the game's salary are.

It was either a bad call, or it was not a bad call. If O'Day has a legitimate beef, than he has a legitimate beef. If he doesn't, then he doesn't.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a "legitimate beef." An ump perhaps didn't make the right call on a close, judgment call. If that's all it takes for O'Day to be on tilt, there's something wrong. That's the world pitchers live in. You can't expect to get every check swing. We pay O'Day a ton of money. We should expect him to not get so rattled because he didn't get a close call, and then go out and groove two fat pitches to the next two batters and lose the game. If you don't think your ability to recover from that is, or what should be your ability to recover from that, is reflected in your pay, then I guess we just disagree.

[Going Underground]

Being at the game it seemed like Rickard did not get the checked swing call but Jones did .Seems like the veterans get the checked swing calls more then the rookies. This is always a tough call. palmer and Thorne often don't see eye to eye about was the ump right or not. The O'Day outburst seems a little overboard but maybe just frustration. buck sort of backed up O'Day also.

[beantownrefugee]

I didn't see the game but after hearing all the talk about the check swing, I finally saw it, expecting to see something that resembled a full swing...

Where can I find the replay of the check swing? Thanks.

[El Gordo]

When was the last time O'Day popped off about an umpire. Never? He certainly has given up HR in game situations before. Has to be more about the ump IMO.

[WEAVERMAN]

Look I love Darren O'Day. We all do. But the ump didnt throw the pitch to Martinez that he hit it out of the park and the next one to Miggy too. This is on DOD.Theres bad calls all the time. You get the third out any way you can.Darren didnt get the out.Thats NOT the umps faut.

PERIOD.

You're right, DOD needs to do better. He's been great for a long time but he needs stop throwing the HR ball.

[brianod]

There are two reasons for speaking out against an umpire. One, you believe the umpire is horrible and the other team believes the umpire is horrible and mlb needs to be put on notice. Two, you believe every close call has gone against you and perceive a bias and you want the ump to be put on notice for that. Calling out an umpire is usually a bad idea and can do more harm than good but I'm reserving judgment on the situation because I don't know if it was needed. That being said, it sucks losing on a bad call. On that we can all agree.

[Rich Mac]

It was a strike. He crossed the plane. I don't even think it was that close. Yes, I'm an O's fan, but I also thought Rickard was out too.

I don't blame O'Day. It is extremely frustrating for a pitcher to get out of the inning, only to find out that the ump blew a call and you aren't out of it. I don't understand why pitching coaches don't come out for a visit after moments like that. It may not be the most conventional time to call for a mound visit, but you need to screw the pitcher's head back on right.

Now let's move on. There have probably been a million blown calls in MLB history. Thousands have probably changed the final result of the game. Time to move on and keep playing ball.

[OFFNY]

Not as bad as O'Day is making it seem. He gets paid far more to get that last strike than that ump gets to be right on close calls.

The pay has nothing to do with it.

All of the players on the field get substantially different salaries than each other' date=' and they should expect to get the same calls as one another.

And a player that makes more than an umpire has the right to expect a game to be called competently and professionally ...... not be judged (and/or made excuses for) on a sliding scale because of the fact that the umpires' salary is less than that of that the players that are playing the game's salary are.

It was either a bad call, or it was not a bad call. If O'Day has a legitimate beef, than he has a legitimate beef. If he doesn't, then he doesn't.[/quote']

I'm not saying he doesn't have a "legitimate beef." An ump perhaps didn't make the right call on a close' date=' judgment call. If that's all it takes for O'Day to be on tilt, there's something wrong. That's the world pitchers live in. You can't expect to get every check swing. We pay O'Day a ton of money. We should expect him to not get so rattled because he didn't get a close call, and then go out and groove two fat pitches to the next two batters and lose the game. If you don't think your ability to recover from that is, or what should be your ability to recover from that, is reflected in your pay, then I guess we just disagree.[/quote']

You said that the Orioles pay O'Day a lot more money to do his job than the umpire gets paid to do this.

That's an inappropriate assessment/analogy of what is expected to happen on baseball field and/or what is debated about after the fact.

It may have been a bad call, or it may not have been. The money has nothing to do with it.

We can expect O'Day to overcome a bad call and get an extra strike, as we can expect pitchers to also overcome an error by a teammate and get a 4th out of an inning out without allowing any more damage to occur, but that was not the crux of your post of which I responded to.