Minor Leagues, Player Development

[21xxxv]

When is the last time the Orioles have developed a front line pitcher. Especially one that hasn't been a top tier college hurler, already from a strong program, like Mussina or McDonald, etc.. When do we as fans focus the attention where it deserves to be critical and scrutinize this mess called Player Development. You can't continue to miss and expect to be competitive. For the life of me, I am trying to decide how Stewart was worthy of the first pick last year. I know we have some decent managers on the farm. But, my goodness we can't develop a top tier pitcher if our life depends on it.

[Tx Oriole]

When is the last time the Orioles have developed a front line pitcher. Especially one that hasn't been a top tier college hurler, already from a strong program, like Mussina or McDonald, etc.. When do we as fans focus the attention where it deserves to be critical and scrutinize this mess called Player Development. You can't continue to miss and expect to be competitive. For the life of me, I am trying to decide how Stewart was worthy of the first pick last year. I know we have some decent managers on the farm. But, my goodness we can't develop a top tier pitcher if our life depends on it.

I think the O's have had that problem for a long time. I don't know what the

answer is on how to correct it.

[LookitsPuck]

Chris Tillman is the only one that you could argue we put the most effort into with the best results. And that's it. Gausman might be successful...but in spite of his development.

[21xxxv]

Chris Tillman is the only one that you could argue we put the most effort into with the best results. And that's it. Gausman might be successful...but in spite of his development.

Disagree with both. Gaussian may never win another game, hitting bats at 98MPH. Tillman was a Seattle product.

[CheeryO]

Chris Tillman is the only one that you could argue we put the most effort into with the best results. And that's it. Gausman might be successful...but in spite of his development.

And Jake Arrieta and Eduardo Rodriguez and maybe Josh Hader. The problem is not finding and drafting top level pitching, or even developing them; the problem is not being patient with them before dealing them away.

[LookitsPuck]

Disagree with both. Gaussian may never win another game, hitting bats at 98MPH. Tillman was a Seattle product.

He pitched all of seasons in the Mariners organization totaling less than 200 IP to the tune of an ERA of about 5.00 in A/A+ ball. He logged nearly 500 IP with the O's minor league system. For all intents and purposes, he was developed by the O's even if he was drafted and had a beer or two in Seattle's minor league system.

[sportsfan8703]

So must be a "front line SP", no college, and couldn't have thrown a single pitch with another organization. Why not just say they have to be LH too?

[atomic]

Tillman and before that Bedard.

[OFFNY]

So must be a "front line SP", no college, and couldn't have thrown a single pitch with another organization. Why not just say they have to be LH too?

Tillman was a Seattle product.

Before the Orioles acquired him, he had a 5.26 ERA and a 1.510 for Advanced-A High Desert.

And the year before that he had a 6.16 ERA with a 1.761 WHIP for their Rookie League and Advanced-Rookie League teams.

Therefore, the Mariners developed him.

And if you try to claim that the Orioles developed Arrieta, we'll just reverse the argument and say that it was clear that the Cubs developed Arrieta because he was horrible with the Orioles, and he blossomed into an ace with the Cubs.

[connja]

Eduardo Rodriguez