Should O's trade for reliever instead of starter?

[Ori-Al]

The writer of the following column:

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-rumors-orioles-pitchers-rich-hill-kelvin-herrera-jeremy-jeffress-will-smith/zz4gbaqjobd619tjfqdcvm22j

makes a good case.

[Aristotelian]

Pretty superficial. The only stat cited is on the 6th inning but a lot of those runs have come from the starters being left in too long. The article also omits that we have been playing most of the season without O'Day. That said, we could use a LOOGY. We have never really found a matchup guy to replace Matusz. However, I also don't know why it has to be one or the other.

[ORIOLE33]

Right now, I'd trade for some guys that can hit.

[paulcoates]

The Orioles have begun the sixth inning with the lead in 45 games this year, and have ended the frame without the lead in eight of those.

That is a crazy stat

[pastorfan]

That is a crazy stat

That stat makes his point. This is a good idea.

[ChuckS]

Would have to be a shutdown reliever that gets both lefties and righties out and I don't see one available that's not going to cost a ransom.

Otherwise, what's the point? Our bullpen is stacked with guys that can pitch around a 3 ERA or better.

We need a starter. I think we could use a right fielder (one that can hit and field) more so than another reliever.

[paulcoates]

That stat makes his point. This is a good idea.

This is a stat that should literally make you throw up in your mouth.

It's horrifying

[Tx Oriole]

Right now, I'd trade for some guys that can hit.

That will come around. Pitching is more important.

[Redskins Rick]

That will come around. Pitching is more important.

Its a long season, some nights the pitching carries you, some nights the offense, hopefully you have more nights, when one of them is on, and not too many with both are gone.

[mrpennybags]

Pretty superficial. The only stat cited is on the 6th inning but a lot of those runs have come from the starters being left in too long. The article also omits that we have been playing most of the season without O'Day. That said, we could use a LOOGY. We have never really found a matchup guy to replace Matusz. However, I also don't know why it has to be one or the other.

Pretty much. If we make the playoffs with this rotation, Buck will use the pen more liberally. We have guys who could come on in the 6th and do the job.

[Can_of_corn]

That is a crazy stat

You give Buck another reliever and he is still probably going to try and get that extra inning out of Gallardo/Wilson/Wright/Bundy.

[Tony-OH]

Uggh, I just had a nice long response deleted when my Chrome browser went "Aw Snap! mode! So frustrating!

Anyways, what I was saying was this is Buck problem, not a lack of relief options issues. Go look at our starters performances in the 6th inning. Only Tillman and Gausman have decent numbers, the rest are pretty much disasters. Buck has an unquenchable desire to get his starters through the 6th inning come hell or high water, but he doesn't have the starters to do that. In a close or tied game, Buck should always have a reliever ready to go in the 6th inning except for when Tillman and Gausman are on the mound.

I know he hates to warm up relievers without using them, but way too often he's seen the 6th inning snowball on him before he has a chance to get a guy loose and in the game.

Saying that, if the Orioles can get a left-handed reliever like Fernando Abad from Minnesota they should. This team needs a left-handed matchup guy.

[Redskins Rick]

Uggh, I just had a nice long response deleted when my Chrome browser went "Aw Snap! mode! So frustrating!

Anyways, what I was saying was this is Buck problem, not a lack of relief options issues. Go look at our starters performances in the 6th inning. Only Tillman and Gausman have decent numbers, the rest are pretty much disasters. Buck has an unquenchable desire to get his starters through the 6th inning come hell or high water, but he doesn't have the starters to do that. In a close or tied game, Buck should always have a reliever ready to go in the 6th inning except for when Tillman and Gausman are on the mound.

I know he hates to warm up relievers without using them, but way too often he's seen the 6th inning snowball on him before he has a chance to get a guy loose and in the game.

Saying that, if the Orioles can get a left-handed reliever like Fernando Abad from Minnesota they should. This team needs a left-handed matchup guy.

You pull Bundy out after 5, and no hit ball, he was crusin?

[Tony-OH]

You pull Bundy out after 5, and no hit ball, he was crusin?

No, what I said had nothing to do about Bundy. Bundy imploded in the 6th inning after cruising, that's not on Buck.

[pastorfan]

You give Buck another reliever and he is still probably going to try and get that extra inning out of Gallardo/Wilson/Wright/Bundy.

Yes, good point. A stat like that points back to the manager in large part.