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Wade Miley... and Miranda to start on Thursday

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atomic Hangout Grand Counsel

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I find this interesting

If Miranda is really ready to start at the ML level, like Seattle thinks

then why didn't the O's just start him?

Buck/Dan really like their veterans with track records. It'll be interesting to see what we get out of Miley

Because we are trying to win the division and the Mariners are im wait until next year mode.

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ISU94 Major Leaguer Rising Star

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Good lord...are qe seriously worried we gave up too much in Ariel freaking Miranda, the 27 year old minor leaguer?

We got a proven solid back end innings eater with control on a good deal compared to market that is left handed. Just stop. We gave up a non prospect with very little upside.

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Good lord...are qe seriously worried we gave up too much in Ariel freaking Miranda, the 27 year old minor leaguer?

We got a proven solid back end innings eater with control on a good deal compared to market that is left handed. Just stop. We gave up a non prospect with very little upside.

Miley is 29. Miranda is 27. Miley has 944 IP. Miranda has 2.

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Good lord...are qe seriously worried we gave up too much in Ariel freaking Miranda, the 27 year old minor leaguer?

We got a proven solid back end innings eater with control on a good deal compared to market that is left handed. Just stop. We gave up a non prospect with very little upside.

I think the worry isn't with Miranda. It's more so the issue of how good (or not) Miley will be considering his home run rate and the fact he's moving to the AL East.

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I think the worry isn't with Miranda. It's more so the issue of how good (or not) Miley will be considering his home run rate and the fact he's moving to the AL East.

He pitched for Boston last year and fared just fine. 4.46 ERA with a 3.81 FIP. Career 4.07 ERA. Hes going to be better than the drudge we've been pushing out there.

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Of course there is a difference between a contender starting someone and a team that is pretty much out of the race starting someone.

Right. Let's say there's a 60% chance that Miranda turns out to be as good as Miley the rest of this year and beyond. That's not a chance the Orioles could afford to take while they're vying for a division title, while it makes sense for the Mariners to take that chance due to the wide disparity in cost.

I personally think Miranda has a shot at a Miley-like career. He pitched quite well in Norfolk the last six weeks or so, and I thought he had pretty good stuff in his one appearance for us. He'll be interesting to follow. But I was satisfied with this trade.

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SpinJr Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Those awful pitchers Gausman and Bundy they sure ruin it for you.

No they don't. After 14 straight years of terrible ball and having many high draft picks all we could develop as starters were 2 'can't miss' blue chip arms. Still a very poor track record. Of course I'm happy they are doing well but still believe we do not have a quality developmental system for our pitches in place. (I'm sure some folks disagree)

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Gotta say I think this is actually a pretty valid post from webbrick.

I wouldn't be quite so quick to dismiss Seattle as "out of the race". They're 4.5 back in the WC and have a decent line-up. I was pretty ambivalent about the trade and didn't mind giving up Miranda, but I do think it's interesting that they're starting hi m right away.

Will be interesting to compare he and Miley's performance down the stretch.

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No they don't. After 14 straight years of terrible ball and having many high draft picks all we could develop as starters were 2 'can't miss' blue chip arms. Still a very poor track record. Of course I'm happy they are doing well but still believe we do not have a quality developmental system for our pitches in place. (I'm sure some folks disagree)

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What about Tillman? The fact that Orioles didn't draft him is irrelevant if we only talking about playing development. The Orioles definitely developed him considering he came here with two years of minor league experience and hadn't gotten passed A+. He pent four seasons in our minor league system (the final three split between the minors and majors) during which they overhauled his motion and made him into a major league pitcher. Tillman was a very good prospect but he was not a first round "can't miss" guy and had huge struggles that the team properly addressed and fixed.

That's three starters in the current rotation who are having success and came up through the system. Most teams would die for that.

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Gotta say I think this is actually a pretty valid post from webbrick.

I wouldn't be quite so quick to dismiss Seattle as "out of the race". They're 4.5 back in the WC and have a decent line-up. I was pretty ambivalent about the trade and didn't mind giving up Miranda, but I do think it's interesting that they're starting hi m right away.

Will be interesting to compare he and Miley's performance down the stretch.

What if the situation was reversed, say, the O's had traded someone like 2015 Miguel Gonzalez for a nondescript 27-year-old who was pitching okay in AAA? I think the board would have been a near-unanimous "salary dump because we know we're going nowhere".

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