Luis...........Ouch!!!!

[Pickles]

The Orioles entered today's frustrating loss in extra inning in Oakland LEADING ALL OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL in defensive efficiency.

Despite some memorable mistakes that all teams composed of human beings are going to commit, Trembley's club has succeeded in being respectable overall when the bulk of national "experts" and OH posters assumed they would be 100 loss bad.

Mark my words, if they turn over the starting shortstop role to Freddie Bynum, this team will get worse in a hurry. (And I like Freddie Bynum...just not as a starting shortstop)

Do you mean to tell me that people will have the audacity to complain about the shortcomings of the next guy we stick at shortstop after running Luis Hernandez out of town?

I refuse to believe that. This board is a bastion of rationalism and sensibility.

[Sports Guy]

The Orioles entered today's frustrating loss in extra inning in Oakland LEADING ALL OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL in defensive efficiency.

Despite some memorable mistakes that all teams composed of human beings are going to commit, Trembley's club has succeeded in being respectable overall when the bulk of national "experts" and OH posters assumed they would be 100 loss bad.

Mark my words, if they turn over the starting shortstop role to Freddie Bynum, this team will get worse in a hurry. (And I like Freddie Bynum...just not as a starting shortstop)

This could end up being true...But the Orioles have to find out if his defense can even be slightly below average and if his offense can be respectable.

Personally, i agree that he isn't the answer..His defense is bad everywhere I think BUT i do think the Orioles need to see if they play him there everyday if he can improve and be good enough.

Personally, i don't think he will hit or field enough to justify starting but I know LH doesn't justify starting, so it is time to look elsewhere.

[utvolzac]

Is Cedeno still availabe.

Personally, I don't think it's going to matter who we put at shortstop if they pick someone in-house. LH, Fahey or Bynum, none of them are Major League Shortstops, IMO.

Given that we don't have any MLB ready short stop prospects in the minors either, we need to bit the bullet and trade for a young MLB ready prospect.

I'd at least make a phone call to the Dodgers or Rockies to see if Hu or Nelson are available. I'd rather give up some excess talent (pitching?) to get talent in return, rather than plug in another AAAA player or pick up some DFA (Uribe?) off the scrap heap.

[ChaosLex]

Well, when a guy screws up, what's to defend?

It's pointless to mention how he's the favorite punching bag... right after he makes a mistake. No point in talking about who kept the rally going with 2 out in the 8th and then scored the go-ahead run. No point in talking about who all helped us lose the game either... about who struck out on 3 pitches with 2 RISP right after LH had scored the go ahead run, or about who made an E to put the tying run on right after that, or who gave up a walk-off dinger, or about the 5 guys who got less hits than he did, or about the various failures to hit with RISP, or etc. What's the point of doing that? All that's doing is bashing other guys, and I don't see how that helps anything. No point in doing that either. So, if you wanna bash LH, have at it. He screwed up, he earned it. Feel better?

Geez, I was just messing around. Hence the .

Way to be a buzzkill, man.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Bynum is heading to KC.....

For Alex Gordon?

[LookitsPuck]

The Orioles entered today's frustrating loss in extra inning in Oakland LEADING ALL OF MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL in defensive efficiency.

Despite some memorable mistakes that all teams composed of human beings are going to commit, Trembley's club has succeeded in being respectable overall when the bulk of national "experts" and OH posters assumed they would be 100 loss bad.

Mark my words, if they turn over the starting shortstop role to Freddie Bynum, this team will get worse in a hurry. (And I like Freddie Bynum...just not as a starting shortstop)

Defensive efficiency? What's your method of measuring this?

Fundamentally speaking, the Orioles have been awful as of late.

[Sports Guy]

Defensive efficiency? What's your method of measuring this?

Fundamentally speaking, the Orioles have been awful as of late.

Its not HIS method...It is a stat that is kept...Basically, it measures how many balls put in play are turned into outs(at least, i think that's what this is...Am I right BBD?)

[Boy Howdy]

Defensive efficiency? What's your method of measuring this?

Fundamentally speaking, the Orioles have been awful as of late.

Def Eff, or Defensive Efficiency, is the rate at which balls put into play are converted into outs by a team's defense. Def Eff can be approximated with (1 - BABIP), if all you have is BABIP, but a team's actual Def Eff is computed with

1 - ((H + ROE - HR) / (PA - BB - SO - HBP - HR))

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=def%20eff

2008 AL DEf Eff through 5/6/08

.728 - BAL

.719 - BOS

.709 - OAK

.707 - TBR

.705 - TOR

.702 - CHW

.702 - CLE

.700 - DET

.698 - LAA

.694 - NYY

.689 - MIN

.689 - KCR

.680 - SEA

.670 - TEX

The Orioles figure is also better than all 16 National League clubs. This is a team statistic, and like it or not, Luis Hernandez is a part of that team.

[ChaosLex]

For Alex Gordon?

No, we wouldn't want to upset MelMo. :laughlol:

[erb8472]

Def Eff, or Defensive Efficiency, is the rate at which balls put into play are converted into outs by a team's defense. Def Eff can be approximated with (1 - BABIP), if all you have is BABIP, but a team's actual Def Eff is computed with

1 - ((H + ROE - HR) / (PA - BB - SO - HBP - HR))

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=def%20eff

2008 AL DEf Eff through 5/6/08

.728 - BAL

.719 - BOS

.709 - OAK

.707 - TBR

.705 - TOR

.702 - CHW

.702 - CLE

.700 - DET

.698 - LAA

.694 - NYY

.689 - MIN

.689 - KCR

.680 - SEA

.670 - TEX

The Orioles figure is also better than all 16 National League clubs. This is a team statistic, and like it or not, Luis Hernandez is a part of that team.

Well based what I've seen out of Luis's defense so far this season that number could be even better if he's sent packing to the Minors.

[LookitsPuck]

Def Eff, or Defensive Efficiency, is the rate at which balls put into play are converted into outs by a team's defense. Def Eff can be approximated with (1 - BABIP), if all you have is BABIP, but a team's actual Def Eff is computed with

1 - ((H + ROE - HR) / (PA - BB - SO - HBP - HR))

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=def%20eff

2008 AL DEf Eff through 5/6/08

.728 - BAL

.719 - BOS

.709 - OAK

.707 - TBR

.705 - TOR

.702 - CHW

.702 - CLE

.700 - DET

.698 - LAA

.694 - NYY

.689 - MIN

.689 - KCR

.680 - SEA

.670 - TEX

The Orioles figure is also better than all 16 National League clubs. This is a team statistic, and like it or not, Luis Hernandez is a part of that team.

So you're using a team statistic...to evaluate a single player, especially when that player is Luis Hernandez? His play all around is awful. Fundamentally, the Orioles have been awful. Does that statistic take into account botched double plays? Players staying back on balls, rather than charging them and not getting an out(s)?

Aside from, fundamentally, I'm also talking about base running. Which has been atrocious.

[Sports Guy]

Def Eff, or Defensive Efficiency, is the rate at which balls put into play are converted into outs by a team's defense. Def Eff can be approximated with (1 - BABIP), if all you have is BABIP, but a team's actual Def Eff is computed with

1 - ((H + ROE - HR) / (PA - BB - SO - HBP - HR))

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=def%20eff

2008 AL DEf Eff through 5/6/08

.728 - BAL

.719 - BOS

.709 - OAK

.707 - TBR

.705 - TOR

.702 - CHW

.702 - CLE

.700 - DET

.698 - LAA

.694 - NYY

.689 - MIN

.689 - KCR

.680 - SEA

.670 - TEX

The Orioles figure is also better than all 16 National League clubs. This is a team statistic, and like it or not, Luis Hernandez is a part of that team.

Hopefully not for long.

[Boy Howdy]

So you're using a team statistic...to evaluate a single player, especially when that player is Luis Hernandez? His play all around is awful. Fundamentally, the Orioles have been awful. Does that statistic take into account botched double plays? Players staying back on balls, rather than charging them and not getting an out(s)?

Aside from, fundamentally, I'm also talking about base running. Which has been atrocious.

I'm not using a team statistic to evaluate an individual player.

I'm pointing out that this individual player, Luis Hernandez, has been a part of the most efficient defensive in major league baseball so far in 2008 at turning batted balls into actual outs.

Remove him for the weak-winged Cintron or try to "hide" Bynum at the most important defensive position on the field, you're weakening perhaps the greatest strength this overachieving team has.

I wouldn't do that.

[erb8472]

I'm not using a team statistic to evaluate an individual player.

I'm pointing out that this individual player, Luis Hernandez, has been a part of the most efficient defensive in major league baseball so far in 2008 at turning batted balls into actual outs.

Remove him for the weak-winged Cintron or try to "hide" Bynum at the most important defensive position on the field, you're weakening perhaps the greatest strength this overachieving team has.

I wouldn't do that.

Not many want to replace him with Cintron or Bynum. Many would prefer an option outside of the organization.

[Sports Guy]

I'm not using a team statistic to evaluate an individual player.

I'm pointing out that this individual player, Luis Hernandez, has been a part of the most efficient defensive in major league baseball so far in 2008 at turning batted balls into actual outs.

Remove him for the weak-winged Cintron or try to "hide" Bynum at the most important defensive position on the field, you're weakening perhaps the greatest strength this overachieving team has.

I wouldn't do that.

But if you upgrade the offense and team speed, who is to say you end up a worse team overall???