If This Team Collapse For The Second Straight Year, Doesn't Buck Have To Take A Hit?

[bpilktree]

The biggest problem with the team the last two years has been the inability for Kevin Gausman to become a number 1-2 starter. The team has been counting on him last season going to that level and this year a number 1 or 2 starter. You see all these young guys come in and can dominate right out of the shoot and some with less talent. In amazes me someone of Gausman's physical ability can not come up with a solid breaking ball to save his life. He has tried the curve and the slider but neither so far. He also has never improved is location now as well and leaves to many pitches center cut.

[esmd]

Nope. Buck isn't perfect (who is?), but if they fade and don't make the playoffs, IMO it's due to player/roster limitations, not Buck's management. He's done a masterful job this year getting them where they are, IMO.

[eddie83]

So all of them are better than Gausman?

Of course it means that.

Team is 9-13 when KG starts.

Pretty amazing to be .500 for 60 starts that are that horrible.

Tillman 20-6

Worley 3-1

Miley 1-3

Bundy 4-3

YG 9-8

Wilson 6-7

Wright 7-5

Ubaldo 8-10

[LookitsPuck]

The biggest problem with the team the last two years has been the inability for Kevin Gausman to become a number 1-2 starter. The team has been counting on him last season going to that level and this year a number 1 or 2 starter. You see all these young guys come in and can dominate right out of the shoot and some with less talent. In amazes me someone of Gausman's physical ability can not come up with a solid breaking ball to save his life. He has tried the curve and the slider but neither so far. He also has never improved is location now as well and leaves to many pitches center cut.

Gausman is far from the biggest problem. While he hasn't matured into the #1/#2 starter we wanted (although arguably he is our #2 just going by numbers), he is not our biggest problem.

Our biggest problem is #3, #4 and #5. They're all #5s at best. That is a huge problem.

Team starter ERA is 5.00.

5.

Let that settle in for a second. It's the worst it's been during Duquette's tenure by far. Have to go back to 2011 (5.39) where it was anywhere close.

[El Gordo]

I think Buck's misjudgment of Kim was problematic and I don't think he rests his players enough. Otherwise I don't see how he can be blamed fore this current bad patch. Pitching. Pitching. Pitching.

[jtschrei]

Buck is a great manager. It's fun to criticize him and think about all the 'what ifs' when we lose a close game. But, overall, he's a very good manager. He's helped bring winning back to Baltimore. I don't forget the dark years between 2000-2010.

This team just needs to hit. When we start hitting again, we're going to start winning again. We're about 1 Chris Davis hot streak from being at the top of the AL East again. The lineup has frustrated me since the AS break.

[Can_of_corn]

Buck is a great manager. It's fun to criticize him and think about all the 'what ifs' when we lose a close game. But, overall, he's a very good manager. He's helped bring winning back to Baltimore. I don't forget the dark years between 2000-2010.

This team just needs to hit. When we start hitting again, we're going to start winning again. We're about 1 Chris Davis hot streak from being at the top of the AL East again. The lineup has frustrated me since the AS break.

Davis crushed in the series with the Astros.

Team got whooped anyway.

[WEAVERMAN]

Buck does a hell of a lot with what he's given. Thrilled he's here.

You nailed it Rip. We couldn't ask for a better manager.

My goodness, he had this club in first place with a garbage rotation. He's manager of the year already.

[WEAVERMAN]

Buck is God. What he has done here with a lousy GM has been nothing short of miraculous. I would hand him a two year extension today if I was Angelos.

He should have a lifetime contract from the Orioles.

[bpilktree]

Gausman is far from the biggest problem. While he hasn't matured into the #1/#2 starter we wanted (although arguably he is our #2 just going by numbers), he is not our biggest problem.

Our biggest problem is #3, #4 and #5. They're all #5s at best. That is a huge problem.

Team starter ERA is 5.00.

5.

Let that settle in for a second. It's the worst it's been during Duquette's tenure by far. Have to go back to 2011 (5.39) where it was anywhere close.

Yes but when your an organization that is not going to spend the huge amounts of money on top pitching like we are you need to develop it from your organization which is why Gausman and Bundy are the keys to this teams long term future. We are going to sign mid level guys in free agency in pitching so you are not going to get great production. You do expect more then Ubaldo did though. Gallardo for the most part except for the injury that had him out early on has pitched about what we expected IMO. He was going to be a starter that will keep you in the game but will not go deep into games but you can expect 5 to 6 innings and 2 or 3 runs over that outing.

[Can_of_corn]

Yes but when your an organization that is not going to spend the huge amounts of money on top pitching like we are you need to develop it from your organization which is why Gausman and Bundy are the keys to this teams long term future. We are going to sign mid level guys in free agency in pitching so you are not going to get great production. You do expect more then Ubaldo did though. Gallardo for the most part except for the injury that had him out early on has pitched about what we expected IMO. He was going to be a starter that will keep you in the game but will not go deep into games but you can expect 5 to 6 innings and 2 or 3 runs over that outing.

If Dan expected Gallardo's performance after forking over a first round pick to sign him he was more desperate than I thought this offseason.

[bpilktree]

Davis crushed in the series with the Astros.

Team got whooped anyway.

Davis was 4-15 in the series not really crushed it he has hit his homers but still not the hot streak that we hope to get. He is 5-19 the last 7 days with 5 homers and 5 RBI.

[bpilktree]

If Dan expected Gallardo's performance after forking over a first round pick to sign him he was more desperate than I thought this offseason.

They didn't want to give up the first round pick form him but then Fowler through them a curve ball and bailed out on what we thought we had. Dan wanted the same thing as when Cruz and Ubaldo came here.

[Can_of_corn]

They didn't want to give up the first round pick form him but then Fowler through them a curve ball and bailed out on what we thought we had. Dan wanted the same thing as when Cruz and Ubaldo came here.

So instead of a first round pick he wanted to give up a different first round pick? While still forfeiting the first first round pick.

[LookitsPuck]

They didn't want to give up the first round pick form him but then Fowler through them a curve ball and bailed out on what we thought we had. Dan wanted the same thing as when Cruz and Ubaldo came here.

Lesson learned: don't wait until last minute and rely on dominos to fall to have the "perfect scenario". It's been Duquette's MO since he got here.

And before you say he can't sign elite pitchers for the money they want...well...then...

...draft

...develop

...better?