Wow, Trumbo's RF really is pathetic

[FanSince88]

In the 8th inning last night, a guy for the Jays hit a lazy fly ball that seemed to hang in the air for ten seconds,

and seemed to go only about 20 yards away from where Trumbo was stationed. He lightly jogged over to it,

and casually stopped right in front of the ball as it bounced right in front of him.

Utterly pathetic. And of course it led to the 4th Jays run.

Obviously Trumbo's offense has been important. And we need Pedro's bat in the lineup

at DH against righties. So there's not really much we can do about this if without majorly

compromising our offense. But still, it's pretty bad out there.

[epic]

I noticed that too. I don't know if he got a bad read or what but that was not his best look out there.

[Can_of_corn]

This was common knowledge.

When he was traded for it was discussed.

When Davis was signed it was discussed.

When Alvarez was signed it was discussed.

[Frobby]

Your description of the play makes it sound like Trumbo was lackadaisical. I don't think that's it. He's just not athletic and comfortable with his body out there. Plus, he is deathly afraid of the outfield wall. Frankly, I think he's gotten worse with each passing month.

I have to say, Kim is also terrible. He's not as awkward as Trumbo, so his misplays are not as obvious, but he's painfully slow, gets poor jumps and plays so deep that many balls fall in front of him.

I think we could see a lot of Bourn and Stubbs in September.

[Frobby]

This was common knowledge.

When he was traded for it was discussed.

When Davis was signed it was discussed.

When Alvarez was signed it was discussed.

Yes, but it's one of those things that some people have to see in order to really understand its impact.

[Can_of_corn]

Yes, but it's one of those things that some people have to see in order to really understand its impact.

He's hit 40 home runs and it worth one rWAR.

I think that gives a pretty good mental picture of just how bad he is.

[Frobby]

He's hit 40 home runs and it worth one rWAR.

I think that gives a pretty good mental picture of just how bad he is.

I think there is a common belief -- one I will admit that I sometimes subscribe to -- that the defensive metrics are unreliable and so a good offensive player may be undervalued by WAR in some cases. Even now, knowing how bad an outfielder Trumbo is, I have a hard time believing he's only been worth one WAR. But I certainly do believe he's a very bad defensive OF.

[25 Nuggets]

He's hit 40 home runs and it worth one rWAR.

I think that gives a pretty good mental picture of just how bad he is.

Everybody knows he belongs at 1B/DH. I think.

I still prefer Trumbo in RF and Davis at 1B rather than the other way around. And I still credit Trumbo as a good signing. AND Alvarez (after the Gallardo/Fowler debacle). I understand the flaws. I hope y'all feel that way too.

[Aristotelian]

This was common knowledge.

When he was traded for it was discussed.

When Davis was signed it was discussed.

When Alvarez was signed it was discussed.

That does not make it any less true or less frustrating.

[25 Nuggets]

That does not make it any less true or less frustrating.

Blame the Chris Davis signing if you want. If Duquette had his way Trumbo would be playing 1B.

[Can_of_corn]

Blame the Chris Davis signing if you want. If Duquette had his way Trumbo would be playing 1B.

I'd blame the Alvarez signing. Trumbo would make a fine everyday DH. It was Alvarez that forced him into right field.

[Can_of_corn]

I think there is a common belief -- one I will admit that I sometimes subscribe to -- that the defensive metrics are unreliable and so a good offensive player may be undervalued by WAR in some cases. Even now, knowing how bad an outfielder Trumbo is, I have a hard time believing he's only been worth one WAR. But I certainly do believe he's a very bad defensive OF.

It is a lot easier to see the impact of someone like Reynolds at third than it is Trumbo in right.

But I don't have a problem at all with the idea that the total Trumbo package isn't that valuable.

[25 Nuggets]

I'd blame the Alvarez signing. Trumbo would make a fine everyday DH. It was Alvarez that forced him into right field.

Fair point. So I choose to blame Catfish Fowler.

[25 Nuggets]

Not ready to do a full post-mortem but as things have turned out losing Chen and Fowler really hurt us bad. I really hope there is a general house cleaning this offseason.

Never lost Fowler though. Never had him.

Chen? 5-4, 4.99 ERA in the National League Wei-Yin Chen?

[Can_of_corn]

Never lost Fowler though. Never had him.

Chen? 5-4, 4.99 ERA in the National League Wei-Yin Chen?

Who is currently on the DL.

Chen was a bad fit for the Marlins, he pitches up in the zone and their organizational philosophy is pitching down in the zone.

Why would a team give up a pick and sign a guy long term only to try and change what worked?