MLB Least Valuable Players? And Nick...

[bobmc]

Some of these players used to have skills, they used to be key contributors. One even had a big role as part of a World Series winner. The qualified hitters who finished 2016 with fWARs below zero are as follows:

 

NAME	TEAM	G	PA	HR	R	RBI	BB%	K%	ISO	BABIP	AVG	OBP	SLG	WOBA	WRC+	DEF	WAR
Alexei Ramirez	Padres / Rays	145	506	6	38	48	4.2%	12.5%	.092	.265	.241	.277	.333	.264	63	-14.5	-2.4
Yonder Alonso	Athletics	156	532	7	52	56	8.5%	13.9%	.114	.284	.253	.316	.367	.299	88	-11.0	-0.3
Eric Hosmer	Royals	158	667	25	80	104	8.5%	19.8%	.167	.301	.266	.328	.433	.326	101	-20.4	-0.2
Yasmany Tomas	Diamondbacks	140	563	31	72	83	5.5%	24.2%	.236	.310	.272	.313	.508	.345	109	-19.7	-0.1

 

"The biggest surprise on this list is Eric Hosmer, who just a year ago became the face of the 2015 World Series Champion Royals. Throughout his career manning first base for Kansas City, his defensive metrics have shown mixed results from average to dreadful. His first base D this past season was his worst defensive season by both DRS and DEF since 2012.

Hosmer did little to justify his $8.25 million 2016 salary. Though he’s still arbitration-eligible, the Royals were hoping for a step forward from the 3.4-win player they got in 2015."

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2016/11/22/13700476/2016-MLB-least-valuable-players-hosmer-alonso-ramirez

 

Nick Hundley's framing skillz?

"Last year alone, Nick Hundley finished with the 3rd highest zBall percentage and the 2nd lowest oSt percentage. In per-game call rate, Hundley ranked 21st out of 22 qualified catchers. Stat Corner also converts calls added into a Run Allowed Average that is assigned to each catcher. Over the course of Hundley’s 6,042 pitches caught, he accumulated a brutal -12.8 RAA. If we use the rough measure of one win being equivalent to ten runs, then it isn’t out of the question to assume that Hundley’s poor pitch framing amounted to a -1.3 WAR subtraction from his overall value. For most of the past decade, that has been par for the course for Rockies pitchers to deal with."

 

 

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2016/11/27/13749422/colorado-pitch-framing-tony-wolters

[MDtransplant757]

I wonder who our least valuable player is?

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, MDtransplant757 said:

I wonder who our least valuable player is?

Among qualifiers, our least valuable position player was Adam Jones, at 1.4 fWAR.   But that's not too bad (114th out of 146 qualifiers).

[MDtransplant757]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Among qualifiers, our least valuable position player was Adam Jones, at 1.4 fWAR.   But that's not too bad (114th out of 146 qualifiers).

Wow, I thought it would be someone like Flarethy, Wright or Wilson. How come you're using fWAR instead of just WAR?

 

[Frobby]

29 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Wow, I thought it would be someone like Flarethy, Wright or Wilson. How come you're using fWAR instead of just WAR?

 

The article only ranked players with enough PA to qualify for the batting title, and ranked them by fWAR.   So, I was just using the methodology used by the author of the article.    If you are going to include players who didn't qualify, then there are 13 Orioles position players less valuable than Jones, with Caleb Joseph the worst at -0.9 fWAR.

[MDtransplant757]

11 minutes ago, Frobby said:

The article only ranked players with enough PA to qualify for the batting title, and ranked them by fWAR.   So, I was just using the methodology used by the author of the article.    If you are going to include players who didn't qualify, then there are 13 Orioles position players less valuable than Jones, with Caleb Joseph the worst at -0.9 fWAR.

Ah. Gotcha 

[Can_of_corn]

1 hour ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Wow, I thought it would be someone like Flarethy, Wright or Wilson. How come you're using fWAR instead of just WAR?

 

There is no such thing as just WAR.

You have fWAR (Fangraphs) and rWAR (Baseball Reference).

[Number5]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

There is no such thing as just WAR.

I would agree that most Wars are unjust, but there have been some, like perhaps the Revolutionary War, that can probably be considered just. 

[MDtransplant757]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

There is no such thing as just WAR.

You have fWAR (Fangraphs) and rWAR (Baseball Reference).

Ah. I've been going off BB Refence, and they just label it as WAR. I really haven't seen it posted there as rWAR, but maybe I wasn't looking hard enough 

[Can_of_corn]

They don't list it as rWAR, we list it as rWAR.

 

[MDtransplant757]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

They don't list it as rWAR, we list it as rWAR.

 

Ok. That makes more sense now.

[dedwretched]

Pre-2016 Drew Butera?

[Camden_yardbird]

Hosmer and Tomas both surprise me.  A lot of this seems wrapped up in defense though.