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If we didnt already have Chris Davis I would be Ok with signing Trumbo but we already have a guy who strikes out a ton.  I want some guys with speed with high OBP.  Tired of seeing guys strike out constantly while going for the long ball on every pitch. 

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12 minutes ago, cimota said:

If we didnt already have Chris Davis I would be Ok with signing Trumbo but we already have a guy who strikes out a ton.  I want some guys with speed with high OBP.  Tired of seeing guys strike out constantly while going for the long ball on every pitch. 

Completely agree with this. I can't believe we would give a four-year contract to a defensively marginal 30-year-old with 9 career WAR. Take the pick when he signs elsewhere and move on. He's not a difficult player to replace, value-wise. 

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2 hours ago, Dark Helmet said:

I don't disagree with you. It just seems Mancini might not be in the OF plans either way. DD says he's ok with a Kim/Rickard platoon. And it seems they want to go out and get the other OF.

I think the puzzle pieces are there if you listen to what DD is saying.  

Power.

Platton OF's costing more than expected.

Buck saying we're not going to be spending too much resources at DH. 

That tells me it's Rickard/Kim in LF.  Mancini at DH.  Power bat for RF.  

Seems like our overall gameplan is to mash, strikeout and have a dominant bullpen.  Then come September start to play more traditional baseball.  With extended rosters and mid season acquisitions.  But we're basically going to be a PS4 team until then.    

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9 hours ago, ELMERO said:

Eaton would be the perfect guy.  Would the Chisox want to trade him?  It would take a phenomenal offer I would think.  Who did you have in mind to offer?

With the "right fields" in our division (TB, Boston, and NY and Bmore) I think it is very undervalued as to the importance of a right fielder.  I feel thats why Markakis was so valuable for us all those years.  I  think Eaton is a younger version of Markakis which is why I would like to get him.  I dont know if this is the homer in me talking but Brach for Eaton straight up?

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10 minutes ago, Horsepower said:

With the "right fields" in our division (TB, Boston, and NY and Bmore) I think it is very undervalued as to the importance of a right fielder.  I feel thats why Markakis was so valuable for us all those years.  I  think Eaton is a younger version of Markakis which is why I would like to get him.  I dont know if this is the homer in me talking but Brach for Eaton straight up?

Not even close to getting him with Brach. Why would the rebuilding white sox want to trade Eaton for an older player at all, much less a middle reliever who isn't as established as Eaton is. Eaton will cost prospects. Good prospects. The guy has been worth 12 wins over the last 3 seasons.

Sisco and Mancini might get the conversation started, maybe. If you're set on sending them a reliever straight up, it would be Britton.

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If the O's were handing out this kinda contract it should have went to Cruz a few years back.

Here is the thing. Duquette looks like a genius when he finds undervalued guys like Cruz and Trumbo. He does not look like a genius resigning them at peak value after a season in Baltimore.

I think what we are seeing is a token attempt to sign him at a lowball price to not look bad too the fans. Same thing with Cruz. They don’t expect to sign him, and will quickly move on.

What I am surpised at is that there has not been more movement on Weiters. When I say that, I mean Buck loves him like a son, and I assumed Angelos liked him. We all know when Angelos likes someone, the checkbook comes out for them to stay (unless health is an issue at the time). That is why Brob, Markakis, Jones, and Davis all resigned or got extensions. Unfortunatly with the exception of Jones, it has not paid for Angelos. Guess I just expected them to try harder on Wieters. I always thought his hitting would get better if he is not catching..which looks like a possibility in his next contract.

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2 hours ago, Babypowder said:

Not even close to getting him with Brach. Why would the rebuilding white sox want to trade Eaton for an older player at all, much less a middle reliever who isn't as established as Eaton is. Eaton will cost prospects. Good prospects. The guy has been worth 12 wins over the last 3 seasons.

Sisco and Mancini might get the conversation started, maybe. If you're set on sending them a reliever straight up, it would be Britton.

Well lets not get carried away.  Eaton is not Harper.  Eaton for our top three prospects is ridiculous.  I would do Eaton for Brach (or Givens) and Mancini. 

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10 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I think the puzzle pieces are there if you listen to what DD is saying.  

Power.

Platton OF's costing more than expected.

Buck saying we're not going to be spending too much resources at DH. 

That tells me it's Rickard/Kim in LF.  Mancini at DH.  Power bat for RF.  

Seems like our overall gameplan is to mash, strikeout and have a dominant bullpen.  Then come September start to play more traditional baseball.  With extended rosters and mid season acquisitions.  But we're basically going to be a PS4 team until then.    

Looks like Mancini's going to have to come through next year.  I'm skeptical but I'll sure be rooting for him.  RoY candidate would be amazing.

Even in this scenario I think the Orioles need to sign another backup OF.  I guess that's where all the "resign Bourn" talk comes into play.

The mash-strikeout-bullpen strategy has been working for a few years now, so...

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7 hours ago, Horsepower said:

Well lets not get carried away.  Eaton is not Harper.  Eaton for our top three prospects is ridiculous.  I would do Eaton for Brach (or Givens) and Mancini. 

You're underrating Eaton's value and overrating O's prospects value. None of the Orioles prospects are good, that's why it would take two of our best at least. I'm guessing the White Sox would want a deal around Gausman for Eaton. Thinking it would only take a middle reliever and a guy who isn't even rated in the top 10 prospects of a weak system is far more ridiculous.

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On 12/5/2016 at 4:12 PM, TradeAngelos said:

This whole Trumbo thing is just classic Orioles, using Roch as their unofficial public relations employee to disperse "news" the way the team wants it to be reported. Earlier today it was "reported" that the Orioles had a "4 year offer made to Trumbo" and was framed like these were ongoing negotiations, they were close, they were really trying. Now one would think that with Roch having such impeccable bosse....I mean "sources" in the warehouse, he would have just a bit more detail. But it was fairly "vague" on the particulars.

Then the last few hours happened.

First we found out that it wasn't really a "4 year deal" it was 3 with a presumably very team friendly 4th year option, that would be very likely to not be hit.

Then it was reported that The "offer" was made weeks ago and there haven't really been many talks since.

THEN it was reported that the "offer" was for around 52-55m, and only can only assume backloaded to tilt to that 4th year option that if I were a betting man again, would be hard for Trumbo to hit. So in reality we were really taking about say 11m,13m,13m, (15-18m) or 3/35ish. A complete joke of an offer, solely made for the story that Roch wrote this morning, and nothing else. An offer that was probably laughed at, as usual.

I won't ever accuse them of not knowing how to manipulate the fans and media to win the PR battle as significant free agent, after significant free agent departs. (Yeah we re-signed Davis, that was our once in a 15 year big contract and I wouldn't hold my breath on a deal even remotely close to that one anytime soon. Numbers don't lie).

 

Seems like more than Trumbo is worth.  If he gets more than that good for him. Realize he has QO offer attached to him.  And he can't play defense and he strikes out a ton and slumps for half a year.  Why are we making him offers again? 

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10 hours ago, Horsepower said:

Well lets not get carried away.  Eaton is not Harper.  Eaton for our top three prospects is ridiculous.  I would do Eaton for Brach (or Givens) and Mancini. 

It might be ridiculous if the Orioles were like other clubs whose top 3 prospects were in the top 100 overall, but since none of them are I'd be shocked if the White Sox didn't laugh at an offer of the top 3 for Eaton. I just don't think it's realistic to even think about Eaton because it's probably going to require Gausman or Bundy. The White Sox aren't looking for a salary dump.

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49 minutes ago, cimota said:

Seems like more than Trumbo is worth.  If he gets more than that good for him. Realize he has QO offer attached to him.  And he can't play defense and he strikes out a ton and slumps for half a year.  Why are we making him offers again? 

Rockies sign Desmond . Rangers sign Gomez.  Trumbo and Wieters teams get smaller

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