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Time to consider Liz a Reliever?

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http://www.firstinning.com/

http://firstinning.com/players/Radhames-Liz-a/

It's interesting to note that Liz has a career best FIP ERA this year.

FIP is "fielding independent pitching", correct? I know it means plate appearances that are not playable by a fielder if I'm not mistaken.

This would make sense. Norfolk's defense looked horrible on that MASN broadcast when he pitched last week.

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That's fair. Let's say he showed occasional dominance.
I'd say he was dominant. He still walked a ton, which is why the ERA and WHIP were a bit high, but the strikeout numbers and hits per innings numbers were dominant. He just allowed too many free runners, which is he can reduce, will just become more outs.
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http://www.firstinning.com/

http://firstinning.com/players/Radhames-Liz-a/

It's interesting to note that Liz has a career best FIP ERA this year.

Another good one that has more functionality and a broad range of stats for both major and minor leaguers (particularly interesting is that somehow they track average fastball velocity for many ML pitchers...not sure what their source is): http://www.fangraphs.com

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Another good one that has more functionality and a broad range of stats for both major and minor leaguers (particularly interesting is that somehow they track average fastball velocity for many ML pitchers...not sure what their source is): http://www.fangraphs.com

Baseball Info Solutions - BIS (John Dewan's Company that publishes Bill James and the Fielding Bible and is one of the two providers of BIP data for the advanced defensive stats) arranges the publicly available pitchf/x data and licenses it to fangraphs.

Its the same type of info as Josh Kalk makes publicly available in his pitchf/x player cards, although presumably BIS's processing of the data is more rigorous and accurate.

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Liz can stay a starter in the minors for now...But he should be brought up ASAP(IMO) to learn to relieve in the majors.

For now, he can get more innings under his belt.

This post is a little odd. So what exactly are you trying to say: Should he remain in the minors starting or should he come up now and be in the pen in Baltimore?

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This post is a little odd. So what exactly are you trying to say: Should he remain in the minors starting or should he come up now and be in the pen in Baltimore?

I think he should be brought up ASAP...I think we should trade Bradford to the Tigers for larish(a deal I think Detroit would make, even right now).

And if we can't do that, replace Cormier with Liz.

However, while he remains in the minors, let him start.

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I think he should be brought up ASAP...I think we should trade Bradford to the Tigers for larish(a deal I think Detroit would make, even right now).

And if we can't do that, replace Cormier with Liz.

However, while he remains in the minors, let him start.

I'm in no hurry. The O's bullpen really doesn't need help right now. Cormier is a mop-up man and I don't want Liz in that role. Bradford for Larish? Who knows if the Tigers would bite on that or not?

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I'm in no hurry. The O's bullpen really doesn't need help right now. Cormier is a mop-up man and I don't want Liz in that role. Bradford for Larish? Who knows if the Tigers would bite on that or not?

1) The Orioles may not need it but Liz learning that role now and for the rest of the year only helps us long term.

2) Detroit has no where to play Larish...He has got to be close to being out of options at this point and they need righty help in their pen.

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