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If the Orioles get off to a poor start in 2017, they'd be crazy to not consider offers for a guy like Machado, who would command a significant haul back. It wouldn't be a popular move (neither would trading Britton), but it would have to be considered if it appears early on that the team isn't going to the postseason. Both Machado and Britton can be free agents after the 2018 season. When fans complain about a lack of moves made in offseasons like this one, it's important to note it's not always about the money. The Orioles can't make impact trades because they don't have any highly ranked prospects to do so. Guys like Machado and Britton would help re-stock the farm system, no matter how painful it may be to see them traded away.

 

[billw76]

Unfortunately I think it's a reality were gonna have to face at some point. I just can't see the FO paying Manny enough to keep him here, and with our payroll limitations I'm not sure how smart it would be to pay him 30-40 mil a year.

I'd hope when the time comes Duquette makes the best decision to keep the franchise moving forward so we don't have to suffer through 14 years of losing again. 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, billw76 said:

Unfortunately I think it's a reality were gonna have to face at some point. I just can't see the FO paying Manny enough to keep him here, and with our payroll limitations I'm not sure how smart it would be to pay him 30-40 mil a year.

I'd hope when the time comes Duquette makes the best decision to keep the franchise moving forward so we don't have to suffer through 14 years of losing again. 

I think we end up with a pick for Manny.

[billw76]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think we end up with a pick for Manny.

I think your probably right.

I want Manny to be an Oriole for life, but I also don't want to watch this team go through another long period of losing. If trading Manny, Britton, or Jones can help restock the farm and the team is not in contention, I'm ok with making the moves. I just don't want to watch Duquette sit back and wait till the last minute to make a decision, because the longer he waits, the less we get in return.

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3 minutes ago, billw76 said:

I think your probably right.

I want Manny to be an Oriole for life, but I also don't want to watch this team go through another long period of losing. If trading Manny, Britton, or Jones can help restock the farm and the team is not in contention, I'm ok with making the moves. I just don't want to watch Duquette sit back and wait till the last minute to make a decision, because the longer he waits, the less we get in return.

The reason we lost for 14 straight years is that the Orioles were poorly managed and General managed. Andy was not a wartime consigliere, but he was a fine re-builder. Also, the rules were stacked against the smaller market teams worse back then. 

[billw76]

5 minutes ago, weams said:

The reason we lost for 14 straight years is that the Orioles were poorly managed and General managed. Andy was not a wartime consigliere, but he was a fine re-builder. Also, the rules were stacked against the smaller market teams worse back then. 

I think we're managed well now with Buck, but will he be around after 2018? I think Duquette has done a decent job as GM, but I think he has made some questionable trades, and I would like to see him be a little more aggressive in FA and not always wait until right before Spring Training to finish the roster.

 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, billw76 said:

I think we're managed well now with Buck, but will he be around after 2018? I think Duquette has done a decent job as GM, but I think he has made some questionable trades, and I would like to see him be a little more aggressive in FA and not always wait until right before Spring Training to finish the roster.

 

He he acts fast we end up with the O'Day and Davis signings.

I'd rather pick up Pedro in ST.

[waroriole]

50 minutes ago, weams said:

The reason we lost for 14 straight years is that the Orioles were poorly managed and General managed. Andy was not a wartime consigliere, but he was a fine re-builder. Also, the rules were stacked against the smaller market teams worse back then. 

And DD is not a long term planner. He's going to do what it takes to contend the next two years, then peace out. 

Hopefully, Angelos let's the next GM do a real rebuild right away

[scOtt]

7 minutes ago, waroriole said:

And DD is not a long term planner. He's going to do what it takes to contend the next two years, then peace out. 

Hopefully, Angelos let's the next GM do a real rebuild right away

Sadly I think you're right. And I'm still DD's biggest fan. A shooting star makes a beautiful light.

[Just Regular]

1 hour ago, scOtt said:

Sadly I think you're right. And I'm still DD's biggest fan. A shooting star makes a beautiful light.

Even if the payoff for the 2019 Orioles is just a pick or two for an erstwhile Machado and Britton, 7 years is a lengthy burn for a shooting star, and the 17/18 clubs will have gotten all that's there from their talents.

[drdelaware]

1 hour ago, OrioleDog said:

Even if the payoff for the 2019 Orioles is just a pick or two for an erstwhile Machado and Britton, 7 years is a lengthy burn for a shooting star, and the 17/18 clubs will have gotten all that's there from their talents.

I have to respectfully go against that way of thinking.  The franchise needs to think and act as a long term winner.  I was disappointed when the Orioles were celebrating the division title on Opening Day a few years ago.  Think the Yankees would brag about something that insignificant?  I get it was something after years of losing but it seemed so small.  Act like a champion and accept nothing less.

That 7 year burn sounds nice but means nothing without one championship.  They don't look built to do it in the next few years, so I'd be fine with getting a king's ransom for Machado and Britton (and others).  If they are signable though = do it.  Just don't lose them for a draft pick - especially Machado.

 

[El Gordo]

3 hours ago, scOtt said:

Sadly I think you're right. And I'm still DD's biggest fan. A shooting star makes a beautiful light.

Yes very sad. I hate contending. Much better to have a continuing rebuild  That way your never disappointed.

[El Gordo]

5 hours ago, weams said:

The reason we lost for 14 straight years is that the Orioles were poorly managed and General managed. Andy was not a wartime consigliere, but he was a fine re-builder. Also, the rules were stacked against the smaller market teams worse back then. 

Don't forget the owner and his straight jackets. He won't be alive for another 14 years.

[Enjoy Terror]

I'd love to see the Orioles do what the White Sox have done this off-season.

I don't think the Orioles have the rotation to get through the playoffs to anything meaningful, and they haven't addressed the problem nor do they have the resources to maneuver leading up to the trade deadline. I don't see the purpose of spinning wheels in the mud.

One thing that Dan has done, which impresses me every season, is get a winning team out of something that looks like garbage on paper.

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46 minutes ago, Enjoy Terror said:

I'd love to see the Orioles do what the White Sox have done this off-season.

I don't think the Orioles have the rotation to get through the playoffs to anything meaningful, and they haven't addressed the problem nor do they have the resources to maneuver leading up to the trade deadline. I don't see the purpose of spinning wheels in the mud.

One thing that Dan has done, which impresses me every season, is get a winning team out of something that looks like garbage on paper.

Just make the playoffs. Anyone can win when they get in.  Anyone.