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Proposed: Drake and Garcia for RF Rockies Jordan Patterson


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My Proposal:

Rockies are looking for setup men.   I think Drake fits them.   His sinker may work in Colorado. O's 17th prospect.  Garcia as a nice arm that they may like.

The Rockies are knee deep in left-handed outfielders.  Jordan is down their depth chart.  18th prospect.  He is behind Cargo, Blackmon,Desmond,  Dahl, Parra, Tapia.

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=colbase

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pattejo03.shtml

Patterson has three options  left.

From MLBTR on Jan 10th.

  • The Rockies are still exploring both trades and free agency, per Bridich. “The focus now is pitching, specifically our bullpen, if possible,” said Bridich. The third-year general manager confirmed that the Rox have spoken to the representatives for righties Greg Holland and Joe Blanton, though he unsurprisingly declined to comment on the extent of Colorado’s interest in either free agent. Bridich also noted: “There are multiple teams interested in those types of guys.”

My Comment:  Free agent pitchers don't really like signing with the Rockies because the way the ball flies there.

MLBTR on Dec 30th:

  1. Right-Handed Reliever: While the Rox are fairly heavily invested in a variety of relievers, the pen remains questionable. That’s most apparent in the team’s lack of right-handed setup options in front of presumptive closer Adam Ottavino. Currently, Jason Motte and Chad Qualls are the only two righties who seem clearly in line for such a role, with players like Jordan LylesCarlos Estevez, and Miguel Castro among the other options. Given the team’s investment in Desmond, excellent position-player core, and relatively promising crop of starters, now may be the time to spend a little extra to complete the bullpen.

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I would have to delve into Patterson a little deeper to offer a strong opinion.

The skeptic in me notes

1. As the Rockies #18 prospect he's probably not ML starter material.

2. 0nly 14 homers and 118 strikeouts at elevation in an offensive environment and league.

3. I believe Oliver Drake will be a solid contributor to this years Orioles bullpen.

Have to agree,  Patterson is likely AAA fodder. Why not deal someone like Brach and get a solid OF in return. Even if the guy was going to be a ready prospect, the stats need to indicate he can be a good player

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I am  starting to think that we have already seen the biggest additions to the 2017 O's.    The budget is about 4M higher than at the end for 2016.    Unless Trumbo turns out to be a real bargain for the O's they seem to be willing to pass on him.  There is a fair amount of positive talk about Mancini coming from the O's management that makes me think they are leaning in his direction.

If the budget is driving what is happening now then a cheap outfielder is what we are likely to see as an addition.   This leads me to think that Rickard gets the first shot at RF and the leadoff spot.  The outfielder the O's add would be a back up to Rickard in case Rickard can't hit right-handers.  Patterson has options and could begin the  year in the minors if necessary. 

I also think the O's like the bullpen they have and that  the O's top 5 relievers are probably likely to stay.  The last two spots are up for grabs at the moment.   None of Wilson, Wright or Verrett have shown success as a starter in the majors.   Worley has a pretty good starters record and I think the O's may sign him  for one of those spots as a swingman.  Then the O's need players with options in the last spot.  That would eliminate Drake from the pen because he is out of options.  I do believe Drake can be a major league pitcher.   He just might not fit in Baltimore without options.  

So if the O's don't trade from the pen and don't spend much money they are likely to make a trade similar to what  I proposed.   A  cheap, mobile outfielder with a strong arm that can help if others on the roster fail.  

Right now I am thinking Smith in left, Rickard in right and Mancini at DH.    I don't know who  Smith's platoon partner will be but Tavarez hit both lefties and righties  in AA last year.  He could get the 150 at bats that Smith doesn't get vs lefties.  

All this is just a guess. but its why I posted the possability of adding a young player with options like Jordan Patterson.  If the O's are not giving up anything big and not spending much, their return is likely to be not big either.

 

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2 hours ago, RZNJ said:

A  1.010 OPS at home.   A .709 road OPS with 67 K's in  221 road AB's.

 

Teammates with more than 300 AB's

Tom Murphy               1.130 home OPS   .902 road

Stephen Cardullo           981 home OPS   .802 road

Mike Tauchman             825 home OPS   .606 road

Rafael Ynoa                   714 home OPS   .651

 

He struggled on the road for sure last year but not sure how much the altitude affected his numbers as he just didn't make contact much on the road.  If you look at his number in 2015 he had very good numbers in AA at 23 years old.  Their AA team plays in the Eastern League and his numbers we favorable to oter players in the league and even in our organization.   He has put up a pretty solid OBP at all levels as well. 

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56 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I am  starting to think that we have already seen the biggest additions to the 2017 O's.    The budget is about 4M higher than at the end for 2016.    Unless Trumbo turns out to be a real bargain for the O's they seem to be willing to pass on him.  There is a fair amount of positive talk about Mancini coming from the O's management that makes me think they are leaning in his direction.

If the budget is driving what is happening now then a cheap outfielder is what we are likely to see as an addition.   This leads me to think that Rickard gets the first shot at RF and the leadoff spot.  The outfielder the O's add would be a back up to Rickard in case Rickard can't hit right-handers.  Patterson has options and could begin the  year in the minors if necessary. 

I also think the O's like the bullpen they have and that  the O's top 5 relievers are probably likely to stay.  The last two spots are up for grabs at the moment.   None of Wilson, Wright or Verrett have shown success as a starter in the majors.   Worley has a pretty good starters record and I think the O's may sign him  for one of those spots as a swingman.  Then the O's need players with options in the last spot.  That would eliminate Drake from the pen because he is out of options.  I do believe Drake can be a major league pitcher.   He just might not fit in Baltimore without options.  

So if the O's don't trade from the pen and don't spend much money they are likely to make a trade similar to what  I proposed.   A  cheap, mobile outfielder with a strong arm that can help if others on the roster fail.  

Right now I am thinking Smith in left, Rickard in right and Mancini at DH.    I don't know who  Smith's platoon partner will be but Tavarez hit both lefties and righties  in AA last year.  He could get the 150 at bats that Smith doesn't get vs lefties.  

All this is just a guess. but its why I posted the possability of adding a young player with options like Jordan Patterson.  If the O's are not giving up anything big and not spending much, their return is likely to be not big either.

 

Where does this strategy leave Kim? If they are going to stand pat I'm guessing Kim play everyday and Richard and Smith split time. 

If they finally part ways with Trumbo I suspect they will add Carter or Alvarez

 

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18 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Who is Branch? I love the idea of Blackmon. It makes sense if you consider Adams transition to COF or his departure 

The Jays turned down a Blackman for Stroman deal that the Rockies wanted so I doubt the Rockies would want just Brach.  They want a big package for Blackman

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1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

Where does this strategy leave Kim? If they are going to stand pat I'm guessing Kim play everyday and Richard and Smith split time. 

If they finally part ways with Trumbo I suspect they will add Carter or Alvarez

 

Kim?  All depends on who hits and who plays well in the field.   Kim can DH some.  We will have to see who gets more playing time at DH.  Mancini's power, RBI ability and OBP or Kim's higher OBP.    

Kim can get some time in LF as well with Smith spelling Rickard in RF.  

I think Kim's poor range and lack of power will probably prevent him from being an everyday player.

If the O's get a lead the best outfield defense is probably Tavarez,Jones and Rickard.

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9 hours ago, wildcard said:

My Proposal:

Rockies are looking for setup men.   I think Drake fits them.   His sinker may work in Colorado.

I can't add to these trade threads, just wanted to say. His sinker will work LESS well in CO. No bite in the thin air. Humidor won't help that.

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48 minutes ago, dan-O said:

No team views 30 year old, mostly unproven, extra bullpen guy Oliver Drake as a potential setup man worthy of trading anyone for. I'm sorry. I know there's a lot of Drake love here, and the guy is intriguing, but no. 

Under normal conditions  I would agree with you.   But Colorado is not normal.   There are several factors to consider:

1.  Fly ball pitchers die at Coors field.  Drake's best pitch is a sinker.  So he is a good fit for them.

2. Free agent pitchers do not want to go to Colorado unless they have no other choice or the Rockies overpay by a lot.   This limits how the Rockies acquire pitchers.

3.  The Rockies are overstocked with outfielder.  And Jordan Patterson is way down the list for them.  He might be good for the O's but he he may never get much playing time for the Rockies.

4. The Rockies probably realize that Patterson's time in now to move to the majors.  He is 25 and has spent the last year at AAA.  Time to move up or out.  If the O's find a minor leaguer or two that the Rockies like then there should be a deal there.

5. The Rockies need good relievers.  There are actively looking.   Drake has been a closer for several years.  Moving to a setup role in the majors would seem to be good move.

6. Since pitching is difficult for the Rockies to find offering a young, strong armed pitcher like Garcia should be attractive to them.

I think it has a good chance of being a match but only the GMs of the O's and the Rockies would know for sure.

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