Cardinals Astros

[weams]

1. Chris Correa, the Cardinals’ former scouting director at the center of the scandal, will be placed on the permanently ineligible list effective immediately.
2. The Cardinals’ two highest available selections in the 2017 First-Year Player Draft (their 2nd-round selection [pick no. 56] and Competitive Balance Round B selection [pick no. 75]) will be awarded to the Astros.
3. The Cardinals will pay the Astros the sum of $2 million within 30 days.

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2017/1/30/14442088/mlb-cardinals-astros-hacking-scandal-ruling

[Plutarch]

Possibly too little punishment for the Cards.  Astros should have been allowed to claim the top 2 Cardinal players from the drafts that were compromised rather than the picks going forward (or given the Astros the choice of the two options)

 

[Can_of_corn]

1 hour ago, Plutarch said:

Possibly too little punishment for the Cards.  Astros should have been allowed to claim the top 2 Cardinal players from the drafts that were compromised rather than the picks going forward (or given the Astros the choice of the two options)

 

I think they should have pushed back the forfeited first round pick to the 2018 draft.  This basically just means Fowler cost them a second round pick.

I am curious if they knew this was coming when they signed Fowler?

 

[Tryptamine]

2 hours ago, birdwatcher55 said:

Not a bleeding heart liberal by any stretch but hacking into an opponents' data base for a competitive advantage shouldn't get you locked up for 46 months in prison. Was it dishonest? Yes. Should there be a penalty ? Yes. But equating this to manslaughter is a bit ridiculous considering what goes on every day in the world. Correa's life and career is ruined. This seems like cruel and unusual punishment to lock him up for four years of his life. Seems like a blatant over reach of justice.

Do you understand how many millions of dollars this private information is worth? Think of it this way, Pepsi hacks into Coke and sees Coke is is coming out with a new holiday drink in Dec. Now Pepsi can beat them to the market with their own idea and it will cost Coke tens of millions of dollars. MLB teams are each individual corporations and their proprietary information is extremely valuable. The Cardinals stole Houston's player rankings, draft notes, trade notes, etc etc and it was done so from 5 different accounts and nearly 50 times overall. The fact that the punishment wasn't significantly larger along with the story is absolutely mystifying to me.

[weams]

9 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Do you understand how many millions of dollars this private information is worth? Think of it this way, Pepsi hacks into Coke and sees Coke is is coming out with a new holiday drink in Dec. Now Pepsi can beat them to the market with their own idea and it will cost Coke tens of millions of dollars. MLB teams are each individual corporations and their proprietary information is extremely valuable. The Cardinals stole Houston's player rankings, draft notes, trade notes, etc etc and it was done so from 5 different accounts and nearly 50 times overall. The fact that the punishment wasn't significantly larger along with the story is absolutely mystifying to me.

The also took the player Houston had targeted. 

[weams]

9 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Do you understand how many millions of dollars this private information is worth? Think of it this way, Pepsi hacks into Coke and sees Coke is is coming out with a new holiday drink in Dec. Now Pepsi can beat them to the market with their own idea and it will cost Coke tens of millions of dollars. MLB teams are each individual corporations and their proprietary information is extremely valuable. The Cardinals stole Houston's player rankings, draft notes, trade notes, etc etc and it was done so from 5 different accounts and nearly 50 times overall. The fact that the punishment wasn't significantly larger along with the story is absolutely mystifying to me.

Well it is the Cardinals. Americas sweetheart small market team. 

[Plutarch]

17 hours ago, birdwatcher55 said:

Not a bleeding heart liberal by any stretch but hacking into an opponents' data base for a competitive advantage shouldn't get you locked up for 46 months in prison. Was it dishonest? Yes. Should there be a penalty ? Yes. But equating this to manslaughter is a bit ridiculous considering what goes on every day in the world. Correa's life and career is ruined. This seems like cruel and unusual punishment to lock him up for four years of his life. Seems like a blatant over reach of justice.

Intellectual Property has value in every industry and there is no legal difference if it occurs in Baseball, Computer Chips, Cars, or anything else.  4 years and a felony record is not over the top.  Question is, is this guy the scapegoat for others in upper management, i.e.  who else knew and when did they know it?   Cards should be stripped of all players in the affected drafts ( with the Astros able to claim those that they had targeted) as well as losing ALL picks (not a 2nd rounder and a comp pick) for at least this draft and maybe one more.  MLB should have sent a strong message here but failed once again to do anything about a situation that society in general has labeled an criminal.

[pastorfan]

On 1/30/2017 at 2:34 PM, weams said:

1. Chris Correa, the Cardinals’ former scouting director at the center of the scandal, will be placed on the permanently ineligible list effective immediately.
2. The Cardinals’ two highest available selections in the 2017 First-Year Player Draft (their 2nd-round selection [pick no. 56] and Competitive Balance Round B selection [pick no. 75]) will be awarded to the Astros.
3. The Cardinals will pay the Astros the sum of $2 million within 30 days.

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2017/1/30/14442088/mlb-cardinals-astros-hacking-scandal-ruling

I get that the Cards should be penalized, but exactly why should the Astros benefit by getting two more pics? Fine the Cards, take pics away, but how exactly is justice being done when the Astros get two extra pics?

[ArtVanDelay]

1 hour ago, pastorfan said:

I get that the Cards should be penalized, but exactly why should the Astros benefit by getting two more pics? Fine the Cards, take pics away, but how exactly is justice being done when the Astros get two extra pics?

If you take the picks away completely then that's less money going to the kids getting drafted.  

I agree that it's dumb that the Astros get 2 extra picks for not protecting their passwords, but I can't think of a better solution without penalizing the players also.