Clock Is Ticking For Chris Tillman Contract Extension

[PressBoxOnline]

Stan "The Fan" Charles says the Orioles need to sign Chris Tillman to a multi-year deal before Opening Day, or 2017 will be the right-hander's final season in Baltimore.

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2017/01/31/baltimore-orioles-need-to-extend-chris-tillman-before-opening-day

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, PressBoxOnline said:

Stan "The Fan" Charles says the Orioles need to sign Chris Tillman to a multi-year deal before Opening Day, or 2017 will be the right-hander's final season in Baltimore.

https://www.pressboxonline.com/2017/01/31/baltimore-orioles-need-to-extend-chris-tillman-before-opening-day

He's probably right! Still Angelos has to be prepared to give him 4-5 years at 15 per.

 

uncharted territory for the Os

[Dark Helmet]

The Orioles may have waited too long. 

[weams]

1 minute ago, Dark Helmet said:

The Orioles may have waited too long. 

Yeah, when his shoulder started acting up last hear and he could only throw 86 MPH is when they should have pounced. 

[Dark Helmet]

Tillman is tricky. He's so up and down velocity wise. He'll be 88-92 some starts, then he comes out throwing 94-95 other times. I've never understood it. 

[MDtransplant757]

I'd try for the 5/65 that the Royals gave Duffy?

[wildcard]

The O's need to sign Tillman and the Mussina negotiation from 16 years ago are not relevant.  Ubaldo contract is.   The first year is already establish at about 10m. Three more at between 16 and 17m per year will need to be added but a investing option IMO.

I think its smart to not complete the agreement until they see Tillman's health this spring.

[esmd]

17 hours ago, MDtransplant757 said:

I'd try for the 5/65 that the Royals gave Duffy?

 

4 hours ago, wildcard said:

The O's need to sign Tillman and the Mussina negotiation from 16 years ago are not relevant.  Ubaldo contract is.   The first year is already establish at about 10m. Three more at between 16 and 17m per year will need to be added but a investing option IMO.

I think its smart to not complete the agreement until they see Tillman's health this spring.

I don't think Ubaldo's contract is relevant.  I think the relevant contracts are Wei-yin Chen and Jeff Szymardjia (sic).  Tillman won't sign before FA for anything less than 5/80 or 5/90 IMO, and if he has a typical season for him (`15 wins, ERA under 4.00), he'll likely top 5/90 on the open market.  I posted a framework for an extension in another Tillman thread that I think would pay him around 5/85 for this season and the four afterwards.  I think if they offered that to him right now, it would get done prior to Opening Day.  I just doubt the Orioles will do it and pay that kind of money.  Shame if that's the case.

 

 

 

[esmd]

52 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I am OK with letting Tillman walk.  He's been very steady except for 2015 but I don't trust him going forward.  I think a slight loss in stuff would effect Tillman more than most.

So let's say you're correct, and signing Tillman is a bad move.  The O's let him leave, and he vastly underperforms his contract that he signs with someone else as a FA.  I disagree that will be the case, but fair enough, let's just assume for the sake of this discussion that it happens.  Question is, who do you replace him with?  Gausman and Bundy are already here, there isn't anyone behind them ready to step up.  If you let Tillman go, unless you're paying someone else 5/90 (let's be honest, they won't), then you're resigning yourselves to the Jimenez's, Miley's, and Gallardo's of MLB.  At least for a couple of seasons, assuming that those young pitchers going directly from Aberdeen to High-A this year work out and are ready.  That's a big "if" though.

If you can't resign your own proven pitchers to market level deals, guys you see in the clubhouse every day and have ample opportunity to check on the health of shoulders, elbows, etc., than I don't know what to say.

[MDtransplant757]

I'd keep Tillman just because our pitching depth is awful and he's probably the best pitcher on the staff. 

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

I am OK with letting Tillman walk.  He's been very steady except for 2015 but I don't trust him going forward.  I think a slight loss in stuff would effect Tillman more than most.

Letting Tillman walk would be unwise. Our depth stinks and the alternative would be wasting more money on guys like Gallardo, Jimenez , and Miley

[tntoriole]

I predict he signs before opening day...5/85.   I think the old man likes these guys in this group that Buck likes and has been more willing to open the wallet for this group..JJ, Davis, Trumbo, now Tillman...I think Adam will be reupped too.  The only one that surprised me was Matt and that may have been due to Boras. 

[tntoriole]

The key though is Manny.  EVERYTHING hinges on what we do with Manny. 

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, tntoriole said:

The key though is Manny.  EVERYTHING hinges on what we do with Manny. 

I agree with you to a point. I'm personally concerned how Manny will hold up In his 30s with two surgically repaired knees.

i think 25-30 million for seven years would be safe as he'd still just be 31. 

[tntoriole]

57 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I agree with you to a point. I'm personally concerned how Manny will hold up In his 30s with two surgically repaired knees.

i think 25-30 million for seven years would be safe as he'd still just be 31. 

Patellar ligament fixes are not the kind of major knee surgeries that involve ACLs and other larger major knee joint structures.  Manny should have few problems in regards to this having been done, imho.  Certainly not anything to reduce his offers.