MLB.com's Mike Petriello addresses what to do with outfield defense

[Frobby]

http://m.orioles.mlb.com/news/article/215031684/how-orioles-can-improve-2017-outfield-defense/

[Spy Fox]

That's actually one of the more insightful and detailed MLB.com articles I've seen.

I'd be curious to hear more about why Jones doesn't "necessarily buy" the idea that changing the positioning strategy could help improve the defense. 

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

That's actually one of the more insightful and detailed MLB.com articles I've seen.

I'd be curious to hear more about why Jones doesn't "necessarily buy" the idea that changing the positioning strategy could help improve the defense. 

He's not wrong, you get three Kiermaiers out there and you can just go, left, right, center, go.

[Frobby]

7 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

That's actually one of the more insightful and detailed MLB.com articles I've seen.

I'd be curious to hear more about why Jones doesn't "necessarily buy" the idea that changing the positioning strategy could help improve the defense. 

Because he's stubborn, in denial, and nothing's his fault?

[El Gordo]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Because he's stubborn, in denial, and nothing's his fault?

Maybe he's in the wrong job.

[Spy Fox]

13 hours ago, El Gordo said:

Maybe he's in the wrong job.

CF instead of RF?

[pastorfan]

14 hours ago, Frobby said:

http://m.orioles.mlb.com/news/article/215031684/how-orioles-can-improve-2017-outfield-defense/

Good read. The fact that we finished 30th and have done nothing to address it is astounding. Again, I guess they just don't believe in "pitching and defense." Who can blame them, it has only worked for the last century! Kind of like socialism; it has never worked in the history of mankind, but some insist upon it.

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, pastorfan said:

Good read. The fact that we finished 30th and have done nothing to address it is astounding. Again, I guess they just don't believe in "pitching and defense." Who can blame them, it has only worked for the last century! Kind of like socialism; it has never worked in the history of mankind, but some insist upon it.

I don't agree that they've done nothing.    They've acquired Smith, who will keep Trumbo out of the outfield for 40-50 extra games, and I expect that whoever the extra outfielder is will be a significant defensive upgrade over Reimold.    I don't think our 2017 outfield will be outstanding on defense, but I do expect it to be better than last year's -- how much better is yet to be seen.

[El Gordo]

56 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

CF instead of RF?

I was thinking something more political.

[Tony-OH]

Good article and I thought the positioning differences is interesting. Jones doesn't move around a lot with his positioning and I wonder is that due to Kirby's design, or Jones' preference?

There is little doubt Jones would be a plus defensive Right fielder for us, but of course, it's not like this team has an everyday center field option this year. They don't even have an everyday option in the minors though they may want to put Austin Hays in Center field everyday at Frederick and see how he does. Hays is probably best suited for right field because his jumps and routes aren't great, but he's got plenty of speed to man the position. I know both Mullens and Hart will probably be there as well, but hays is clearly the best prospect of the three.

 

[Three Run Homer]

The O's made the playoffs last season with bad outfield defense.  Maybe the club just decided they were willing to live with bad defense in order to have a more potent offense and to concentrate their payroll addressing other concerns.  

There was a pretty steep tradeoff between offense and defense among the corner outfielders available this offseason; we could have signed someone like Michael Bourn to play a corner position instead of trading for Seth Smith, but it's not clear to me that you wouldn't lose more runs on offense than you would gain on defense.  

Curtis Granderson was one available corner outfielder who would have provided above average offense and defense, but Brad Brach is an important part of the bullpen and reportedly the Mets were asking for more than Brach.  

[scOtt]

17 hours ago, Frobby said:

http://m.orioles.mlb.com/news/article/215031684/how-orioles-can-improve-2017-outfield-defense/

This is kind of related. Adam calling into the Hot Stove Show last night:

http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/02/orioles-could-add-another-catcher.html

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“It’s no slap to anyone else, but when you had me, (Nick) Markakis and (Nate) McLouth, or me, Markakis and (Alejandro) De Aza, let me know what happened. You see over in Boston when you’ve got (Jackie) Bradley, (Mookie) Betts and when they have (Chris) Young out there and when they have (Andrew) Benintendi. You look at Tampa, the athleticism that they have with (Kevin) Kiermaier, (Steven) Souza and whoever they put in left. Then you go to New York with (Jacoby) Ellsbury, (Brett) Gardner, who won his first Gold Glove and I’m so proud of that. I love how he plays. And it’s an easy right field to play.

“I’m just saying you have to improve the defense. It’s no slap against anybody. You just have to have elite defenders. That’s just part of baseball, like I said. It’s part of winning. You don’t have David Price, Chris Sale, guys who are going out there and striking out 250 guys. Our defense is used, which is great. But we just need to improve our defense.

 

Later says

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I’m all ears to whatever they want to implement and whatever they feel will get us better. I’m an employee. I’m not a boss of any sort, I don’t make any decisions. I’m an employee with a strong opinion. That’s just my two cents.

 

I love Adam.

[scOtt]

2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Good article and I thought the positioning differences is interesting. Jones doesn't move around a lot with his positioning and I wonder is that due to Kirby's design, or Jones' preference?

There is little doubt Jones would be a plus defensive Right fielder for us, but of course, it's not like this team has an everyday center field option this year. They don't even have an everyday option in the minors though they may want to put Austin Hays in Center field everyday at Frederick and see how he does. Hays is probably best suited for right field because his jumps and routes aren't great, but he's got plenty of speed to man the position. I know both Mullens and Hart will probably be there as well, but hays is clearly the best prospect of the three.

 

I don't know anything but I get the feeling they are at loggerheads to each other all the time. In a friendly joking way. Two strong personalities.