Strong Dominican presence in O's Camp

[Frobby]

32 minutes ago, wildcard said:

In 2011 before Dan took over the O's had 4 Dominican players in ST.  This year they have 10.   9 out of the 10 have been acquired in the last two years.   You say its a coincidence.    OK...............

How many did we have in 2012-15?    (By the way, where are you getting your information about 2011?)

[FlipTheBird]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

How many did we have in 2012-15?    (By the way, where are you getting your information about 2011?)

Granted, I have no idea who all the O's had in camp in 2011, but they had at least 6 players appear for them during the 2011 season that were Dominican-born.

[FlipTheBird]

12 minutes ago, PaulFolk said:

But why would these players be an undervalued commodity simply because of their nationality? There's no other common thread that links them. Their nationality is irrelevant to their baseball skills. It's like saying, "Oh, the Orioles have a lot of players with blue eyes. Clearly Duquette sees blue-eyed players as an undervalued commodity."

Well, the other common thread (and the only that ACTUALLY links most of these guys together), is that the large majority of them fell out of favor with at least one club, and Dan got them on the cheap. Rule V, minor league signings, and so forth.

For WC, that's apparently Dan being savvy and "seeing Dominicans as an undervalued commodity." For everyone else, it's Dan just trying to scrounge for low-rent talent with potential upside wherever he can, nationalities be damned.

[wildcard]

9 minutes ago, PaulFolk said:

But why would these players be an undervalued commodity simply because of their nationality? There's no other common thread that links them. Their nationality is irrelevant to their baseball skills. It's like saying, "Oh, the Orioles have a lot of players with blue eyes. Clearly Duquette sees blue-eyed players as an undervalued commodity."

One possible answer is the Dominican may get signed at 16.  Minor league players of that  age are protected for 5 years. So at 21/22 they have to be exposed to the Rule 5 draft.  At 6 years they are minor league FA.    Maybe Dan makes sure these kind of players are scouted.  Maybe he see them as partly developed and inexpensive.   And maybe the O's scout in  the Dominican is respected for his opinion of who has talent.

I don't know that any of that is true but its a guess.

[FlipTheBird]

Just now, wildcard said:

One possible answer is the Dominican may get signed at 16.  Minor league players of that  age are protected for 5 years. So at 21/22 they have to be exposed to the Rule 5 draft.  At 6 years they are minor league FA.    Maybe Dan makes sure these kind of players are scouted.  Maybe he see them as partly developed and inexpensive.   And maybe the O's scout in  the Dominican is respected for his opinion of who has talent.

I don't know that any of that is true but its a guess.

So you're, at best, suggesting that the Orioles are really good at identifying which players might get cut loose by their original clubs after 6 years because they haven't progressed at a rate that's worth protecting?

[wildcard]

10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

How many did we have in 2012-15?    (By the way, where are you getting your information about 2011?)

ST stats on orioles.com

[wildcard]

2 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

So you're, at best, suggesting that the Orioles are really good at identifying which players might get cut loose by their original clubs after 6 years because they haven't progressed at a rate that's worth protecting?

Or earlier.  

[thezeroes]

In the year 2016, 130 players from the Dominican Republic played in the Majors.  By contrast in 2011 ONLY 19 Dominican born players played in MLB as their last year.

These numbers do not include pitchers.

 

 

[wildcard]

2 minutes ago, thezeroes said:

In the year 2016, 130 players from the Dominican Republic played in the Majors.  By contrast in 2011 ONLY 19 Dominican born players played in MLB.

 

Good info.  Source?

[ArtVanDelay]

4 minutes ago, thezeroes said:

In the year 2016, 130 players from the Dominican Republic played in the Majors.  By contrast in 2011 ONLY 19 Dominican born players played in MLB.

 

Are you sure about that 2011 stat? I highly doubt that's correct. 

[thezeroes]

7 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Good info.  Source?

Baseball Reference  http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/Dominican-Republic_born.shtml

Sort by last year.

[wildcard]

9 minutes ago, thezeroes said:

Baseball Reference  http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/Dominican-Republic_born.shtml

Sort by last year.

19 is not close to being right.

[thezeroes]

1 minute ago, wildcard said:

19 is not close to being right.

134 in 2016

128 in 2011

My error was not correlating those that had played prior to 2011 while the total for 2016 was skewed from not having all the pitchers hit.

[FlipTheBird]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Or earlier.  

We are all we aware that the O's are good at picking up scraps. But it's A. What they do because it's what they can afford to do financially, B. Not at all related to what ethnicity or nationality a player happens to be.

[backwardsk]

4 hours ago, FlipTheBird said:

This.

And, if we're going to talk diversity and the O's, didn't we (very briefly, because none of them were very good) have a United Nations of sorts in our starting rotation in the early 2000s? Bedard, Bruce Chen, Damian Moss for a hot minute (ugh), Daniel Cabrera, etc.

There was one season where our starting five was from five different countries.  I definitely remember it being Cabrera, Bedard, and Bruce Chen (panama).  It may have also included Rodrigo Lopez and Jeremy Guthrie.