Orioles' Adam Jones berated by racist taunts at Fenway Park

[Tony-OH]

 

2 minutes ago, dan-O said:

You can't possibly know that unless you are a black athlete trying to work your way through the system. It might not be true for all we know, but one thing is for sure, Tony Pente sure doesn't know. Maybe we should try asking some of the black baseball players?

And saying all this, you are somehow not a fan of Adam Jones. 

It is not up to Adam Jones to solve the problem of black disengagement in baseball. But he IS throwing some money at it, and he IS calling attention to it as much as he can without being a complete distraction to his teammates and his employer, and if you aren't applauding all of that, what the hell exactly are you looking for?

First off, calm the hell down because you are starting to act like jerk. Being a jerk is a great way to find yourself off this site. I'm fine with you having a different view on this which you clearly do, I'm not fine with you being a jerkoff to me. Note the interactions with others in this thread. You seem to be the only one fired up and out of control.

Now that you've calmed down, please show me where I said I was not a fan of Adam Jones? 

[Tony-OH]

19 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

Why do you think there is a lower percentage of black quarterbacks in the NFL than in the NFL at large, and why, historically was there an even lower percentage?

Why are there fewer black centers than other offensive line positions?

If you want to just focus on baseball, why are there so few black pitchers and even fewer black catchers?

I know what you are trying to do here but I'm not going to bite. I'm not talking about the past, I'm talking about now.

Black quarterbacks are on the rise significantly in the NFL because the rise in black quarterbacks in the college ranks have risen. It's simply a talent supply issue. As for baseball, I've honestly never noticed the lack of black pitchers or catchers. Perhaps most tall young black men prefer basketball over baseball and most pitchers are tall? That would certainly explain the pitchers.

As for catchers, no idea. Maybe because black guys who play baseball tend to be faster and leaner and most catchers are neither? I certainly don't think it's because coaches don't feel they are intelligent enough which is kind of what I'm feeling you are trying to say here.

Let me let you in on a little secret, I was born and raised in Pasadena, Maryland in the 70's and 80s so let's just say I grew up around enough racism to know what it looks like. I've also been around amateur and professional baseball for the last 25 years, close enough to have some pretty good relationships with people. If I thought there was racist undertones in baseball I'd say so. I just haven't seen it, heard about it, or read about it. 

Some idiot fans yelling racial slurs and throwing things is not going to get me to suddenly think its because it's a white man's sport and black players are not welcome with open arms. It's just not true.

[SilentJames]

 

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[Tony-OH]

Ok, next liberal political rant and I'm closing this thread down. Keep it to the subject.

[SilentJames]

Also the black quarterback thing, here is a solid investigation of it: 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1089725-why-african-american-qbs-are-systemically-trained-to-abandon-mechanics

The problem is, people are looking for overt racism but they are ignoring the insidious in-grained systemic stuff that takes generations (empahsis on plural) to truly get through. 

Tony, its not that black quarterbacks are only now just reaching the talent level, its the system is finally evolving. 

[baltimore_chop]

Let's look back at what Jonesy said last year.

“We already have two strikes against us already,’’ Baltimore Orioles All-Star center fielder Adam Jones told USA TODAY Sports, “so you might as well not kick yourself out of the game. In football, you can’t kick them out. You need those players. In baseball, they don’t need us.

Tony, now I'm going to tell you how a good amount of black players have felt growing up through these comments. It was mentioned here that the black players in Boston would just be "another n*****" if they weren't good at baseball. Whether it's been because of they've been treated, what they've heard, or insinuations they've felt, that is what has been taking place for a long time. I feel like you're trying to make it a numbers issue when it really isn't. It's about treating people the right way. Black players have felt that if they do something extra or comment about unfair treatment, they will be replaced. David Price has already been subjected to racism. What's to say that Mookie Betts and Jackie Bradley won't if they start playing bad.

[SilentJames]

Tony we were on topic until you took us this way. 

Im sorry people disagree with you. 

 

[Tony-OH]

Just now, SilentJames said:

Also the black quarterback thing, here is a solid investigation of it: 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1089725-why-african-american-qbs-are-systemically-trained-to-abandon-mechanics

The problem is, people are looking for overt racism but they are ignoring the insidious in-grained systemic stuff that takes generations (empahsis on plural) to truly get through. 

Tony, its not that black quarterbacks are only now just reaching the talent level, its the system is finally evolving. 

I agree with that honestly. But that's why there are more black college QBs. All I'm saying is there are more black QBs in the NFL because the talent pool has expanded. I agree that for years there was a race thing when it came to QBs. No doubt, no argument.

[Rene88]

58 minutes ago, dan-O said:

I completely disagree. If you aren't applauding and celebrating Jones for at least trying then I dunno what to tell you. 

I understand what you're saying and the arguments you are making, I just disagree. I also find them a little petty. The bigger issue is the racism, it's not whether or not the sport is a white man's sport. You're white. You don't see things from Adam Jones' perspective, or from black people's perspective. And until you become black, which you won't, you won't understand. I won't understand. That's just the facts.

You are clumping me in with a group of people ("SJWs" probably, if I had to guess. Or snowflakes, maybe). You are holding a prejudiced view about me and "people like me". You, sir, do not know a single thing about me. So please stop.

I respect your post sir.

my guess is 95% of this board is white, vast majority could be found at a Trump rally so as Tony mentioned (accurately) about talk show callers not being representative of the world...or all Boston people are racists...

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[Going Underground]

6 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

I respect your post sir.

my guess is 95% of this board is white, vast majority could be found at a Trump rally so as Tony mentioned (accurately) about talk show callers not being representative of the world...or all Boston people are racists...

My w

White and Trump rally? I think the thread gets closed. Also my MAGA hat has not been shipped from China yet.

[Tony-OH]

2 minutes ago, baltimore_chop said:

Let's look back at what Jonesy said last year.

“We already have two strikes against us already,’’ Baltimore Orioles All-Star center fielder Adam Jones told USA TODAY Sports, “so you might as well not kick yourself out of the game. In football, you can’t kick them out. You need those players. In baseball, they don’t need us.

Tony, now I'm going to tell you how a good amount of black players have felt growing up through these comments. It was mentioned here that the black players in Boston would just be "another n*****" if they weren't good at baseball. Whether it's been because of they've been treated, what they've heard, or insinuations they've felt, that is what has been taking place for a long time. I feel like you're trying to make it a numbers issue when it really isn't. It's about treating people the right way. Black players have felt that if they do something extra or comment about unfair treatment, they will be replaced. David Price has already been subjected to racism. What's to say that Mookie Betts and Jackie Bradley won't if they start playing bad.

Yeah, that was in the 60s and 70s. I'm sure that was true then. I do not believe that black players in the MLB are playing in some kind of hostile work environment like it was back then. Your second statement is not true and ridiculous. Give me one example where that has happened in the last 20 years?

[SilentJames]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

I agree with that honestly. But that's why there are more black college QBs. All I'm saying is there are more black QBs in the NFL because the talent pool has expanded. I agree that for years there was a race thing when it came to QBs. No doubt, no argument.

but see that is what I am talking about with learned behavior and systemic structures. Its insidious they lie in the background and impact the way people think and act, it is the water the fish swim in. 

Growing up where I grew up - its real, its there. 

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[MurphDogg]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

I know what you are trying to do here but I'm not going to bite. I'm not talking about the past, I'm talking about now.

Black quarterbacks are on the rise significantly in the NFL because the rise in black quarterbacks in the college ranks have risen. It's simply a talent supply issue. As for baseball, I've honestly never noticed the lack of black pitchers or catchers. Perhaps most tall young black men prefer basketball over baseball and most pitchers are tall? That would certainly explain the pitchers.

As for catchers, no idea. Maybe because black guys who play baseball tend to be faster and leaner and most catchers are neither? I certainly don't think it's because coaches don't feel they are intelligent enough which I kind what I'm feeling you are trying to say here.

Let me let you in on a little secret, I was born and raised in Pasadena, Maryland in the 70's and 80s so let's just say I grew up around enough racism to know what it looks like. I've also been around amateur and professional baseball for the last 25 years, close enough to have some pretty good relationships with people. If I thought there was racist undertones in baseball I'd say so. I just haven't seen it, heard about it, or read about it. 

Some idiot fans yelling racial slurs and throwing things is not going to get me to suddenly think its because it's a white man's sport and black players are not welcome with open arms. It's just not true.

You said in the last 30 years, so yeah, you are talking about the past.

I am a little flabbergasted that you haven't noticed that there aren't many black pitchers. Maybe you should read about it a little bit. Here is a brief article on it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/04/14/mlb-jackie-robinson-african-american-players-pitchers/83052454/

Athletes are pushed in certain directions towards certain positions by their coaches. Sometimes that happens in little league, sometimes it happens in high school, sometimes it happens in college and sometimes in the pros. Nobody tells a kid you shouldn't pitch or you shouldn't play quarterback because you are black. Or even because you lack the intelligence. They don't have to. They are the coach, they are in a position of authority and they don't need to explain themselves to the kids. But look at the results.

The actions speaking louder than the words. Look at how many players made it through college as successful quarterbacks and were told they would be a better fit as wide receivers or defensive backs. The black players who pitch and played the outfield but the scouts see them as outfielders because that is where the scouts have seen other players who look like them. There doesn't need to be darkness in the hearts of individual scouts or executives for the vestiges of racism to still have an impact.

[SilentJames]

3 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Yeah, that was in the 60s and 70s. I'm sure that was true then. I do not believe that black players in the MLB are playing in some kind of hostile work environment like it was back then. Your second statement is not true and ridiculous. Give me one example where that has happened in the last 20 years?

Here you go: 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17544975/challenges-mixing-baseball-activism

Bottom line, black players feel more concerned about sticking their necks out for causes because they feel more easily replaced.